wblynch
Well-known
This Plustek 120 scanner should be great competition for the overpriced used Nikon 9000's and Minolta Multi-Pro's.
I'm sure it will be faster, finer and more reliable. Especially since service and parts will be available for a much longer time.
How about replacement lamps? I think they no longer exist for the Minolta. (don't know about the Nikon).
With an LED light source it's a total non-issue for the Plustek.
I'm sure it will be faster, finer and more reliable. Especially since service and parts will be available for a much longer time.
How about replacement lamps? I think they no longer exist for the Minolta. (don't know about the Nikon).
With an LED light source it's a total non-issue for the Plustek.
mani
Well-known
I don't really understand this sort of comment. Why does it make any difference if you consider the Nikons and Minoltas to be overpriced if you want to buy this new scanner?
I hope the new scanner really is up to the standard of the LS9000 - but it remains to be seen. I'm sure when it finally comes, owners of the Nikon will find it slightly inferior, while owners of the Plustek will see more detail in shadow areas or less grain, and so on, ad infinitum.
I'm just glad that there's gonna be more scanners to choose from in the future. No need to start point-scoring even before the new machine is released.
wblynch
Well-known
Not hard to understand. Nothing to do with point scoring.
The Nikon LS-9000 sold for less than $2,000 brand new. It took several years for them to sell out as they sat on shelves.
Now that there is no competitive scanner available to buy new, the prices on these used medium format scanners have gone stratospheric.
With a high-quality, new scanner on the market, who would pay the crazy prices for a used machine with no service or repair parts available?
Well, unless the Plustek is even more insanely priced...
The Nikon LS-9000 sold for less than $2,000 brand new. It took several years for them to sell out as they sat on shelves.
Now that there is no competitive scanner available to buy new, the prices on these used medium format scanners have gone stratospheric.
With a high-quality, new scanner on the market, who would pay the crazy prices for a used machine with no service or repair parts available?
Well, unless the Plustek is even more insanely priced...
stompyq
Well-known
The coolscans are overpriced because they have no competition. The only game in town worth considering are the epson flatbeds and those fall far short of a dedicated film scanner. People on ebay are willing to pay $3000 on a used coolscan with absolutlty no support frojm Nikon when at a similar (or slightly higher) price point you can get a flextight scanner.
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shiro_kuro
Charles Bowen
mani
Well-known
But if you don't want to buy a Nikon then what does it matter to you what the price is? The price of the Nikon is irrelevant unless you want to buy one. But you don't apparently. You want to buy the Plustek. So the only reason I can see for hoping the price of the Nikon drops is satisfaction at other people's misfortune?
That's why I don't understand your post.
wblynch
Well-known
mani
Well-known
Ah oh i see - you're explaining economics to me. Sorry for being so dense.
Now explain to me why YOU should be glad that secondhand Nikon scanners are supposedly going to be cheaper. You're buying one? No? Not buying one? So why should you care?Anyway, I'm happy to see the new Plustek scanner without the schadenfreude of wanting others to lose out as a result. All film users are winners with more scanners available. Hope you're happy being the person you are.
SixSeven
Member
Ah oh i see - you're explaining economics to me. Sorry for being so dense.
Anyway, I'm happy to see the new Plustek scanner without the schadenfreude of wanting others to lose out as a result. All film users are winners with more scanners available. Hope you're happy being the person you are.
Good lord, clean the sand out. Sounds like someone paid 6k for their nikon and is now unhappy about it.
clayne
shoot film or die
Haha yep. Mani, 4k$ for an LS-9000 is absurd and we're simply going to enjoy when that market is corrected. To answer your unspoken question: no I don't enjoy price gouging or the gougers and if their angle is taken away it's only a good thing.
vitaly66
slightly tilted
May I please encourage Plustek to support Linux.
At a minimum, that would mean providing "binary blob" drivers that will operate with the Linux version of Vuescan.
Better still to support the sane project.
I for one would be grateful and you will have a sure sale.
At a minimum, that would mean providing "binary blob" drivers that will operate with the Linux version of Vuescan.
Better still to support the sane project.
I for one would be grateful and you will have a sure sale.
wkkato
wkkato
Scanner support
Scanner support
But it's not totally unsupported. I just got back my 8000ED last week for a burnt out power supply. Maybe this part is in common with the 9000 so that parts are still available but I consider myself happy that I could get it back to operational status.
Warren
Scanner support
But it's not totally unsupported. I just got back my 8000ED last week for a burnt out power supply. Maybe this part is in common with the 9000 so that parts are still available but I consider myself happy that I could get it back to operational status.
Warren
trog
f/stop!
I spoke with Plustek last week. The new 120 is now scheduled for a Sept-Oct release.
SixSeven
Member
Why do I get the feeling come August/September we'll be told the release date is sometime in February.
mani
Well-known
I'd still love to know why you guys are so interested in price-correcting a scanner you don't wanna buy? Makes me laugh - boils down to simple envy, as far as I can tell.
wblynch
Well-known
It isn't gougers, it's buyers. They don't have reasonable alternatives so they are left to compete with other buyers to get those old, unsupported scanners. The lack of new 120 film scanners leaves people to 'fight over the scraps'.
New scanners, like the upcoming Plustek 120 put some health into the hobby and we can forget about the old, obsolete, used and worn-out/burnt-out Nikon LS-9000, LS-8000 and Minolta Multi-Pro.
It's a very healthy thing and speaks well to our hobby that companies are willing to make an investment in new equipment.
Let's see if people who want a Nikon scanner will continue to pay the exorbitant prices. I do not think they will. If you have one and want to sell, now would be the time.
New scanners, like the upcoming Plustek 120 put some health into the hobby and we can forget about the old, obsolete, used and worn-out/burnt-out Nikon LS-9000, LS-8000 and Minolta Multi-Pro.
It's a very healthy thing and speaks well to our hobby that companies are willing to make an investment in new equipment.
Let's see if people who want a Nikon scanner will continue to pay the exorbitant prices. I do not think they will. If you have one and want to sell, now would be the time.
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
Maybe he does want one but realizes that paying twice what it cost new for an old scanner is stupid? I have an 8000ED that I bought new, so I have no need for the virtually identical 9000, but 800ED scanners are going for stupid prices too, and I wouldn't pay them. Not envy, just business sense. I'm in business as a photographer, and I don't profit by letting price gougers f--k me.
clayne
shoot film or die
Correct. Couldn't have said it better myself. I have an LS-5000 already and wouldn't mind an LS-9000 for medium format, but I refused to pay twice the price as retail for one. With the announcement of the Plustek a new avenue was opened. Anything involving price correction with the LS-9000 now is simply desire to see a screwed up situation resolved. Sure as he'll isn't envy.
SixSeven
Member
Yes... you've outed me. Plain and simple envy.
I could go onto B&H and order a Hasselblad X5, but it doesn't mean I should or that it would be a wise investment. No one wants people to feel screwed or ripped off who've just paid exorbitant prices for a Nikon 9000, you're missing the point. I am just happy there will soon be another avenue to take so that I personally have more options than just:
A) a Good scanner in the Nikon 9000 that is getting on in years, might not be supported at all soon enough if Nikon's past history is any indication, and is extremely overpriced due to lack of production/supply
B) an amazing scanner in the Hasselblad X5 or X1 that all but requires a 15 year mortage. If you want to call me jealous, it would fit for category B.
C) old, out of date, SCSI-only Imacon scanners sold as-is by mysterious overstock/government surplus retailers on the auction website.
Anyway, hopefully now you understand our position a bit more. No one is knocking the 9000 or your decision to buy one. Feel free and enjoy. Another scanner on the market can only be beneficial for all of us.