B&H settles EEOC bias lawsuit for $4.3 million.

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Al Kaplan said:
it does seem strange to enter a Chnese restaurant and be greeted by a black guy with a Kreyole accent.
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try entering one and being greeted by a toothless redneck with a thick southern drawl. doesn't give you much hope for delicious asian cuisine.

ahh, the midwest.
 
colker said:
how many "persons of color"posting here? anyone up to walk the talk?
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I am a person of color.

Also please note that I was reporting an objective observation that over the past five years there has been a significant and notable change that I saw from over a decade ago. When I said zero-nada-nadia I was reporting what I saw on the floor.

What do you mean walk the walk?

Have you ever been to NYC and been in the store?

Have you been a customer there for over a decade.

Let's walk the walk.

Calzone
 
dcsang said:
the whole concept of having to be a certain race/creed/colour etc. to work in "such and such" is ludicrous
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i am in no way supportive of racism or discrimination of any kind, but having to hire someone because you don't have enough of a certain race/creed/color is also pretty ludicrous. do you think it's fair that employers have to pass up applicants that are far more qualified for a position just because they're legally required to hire someone based on their color?
 
sos314 said:
i am in no way supportive of racism or discrimination of any kind, but having to hire someone because you don't have enough of a certain race/creed/color is also pretty ludicrous. do you think it's fair that employers have to pass up applicants that are far more qualified for a position just because they're legally required to hire someone based on their color?
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I never said that one SHOULD hire based on race/creed/colour/religion etc.

Please don't hesitate to point out the post in which I did state such a thing.

Thank you,
Dave
 
henryp said:
With all due respect, you misunderstand my job and my purpose in being here almost entirely. While I do seek to help customers with problems find resolution, I also bring 20+ years of full-time pro shooting experience here. That coupled with the access to equipment and manufacturers my employment affords allows me to function as quite a bit more than a spin-meister.
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Maybe so Henry but one cannot help but wonder how strange it is that you have shown up only once comments regarding B&H's customer service were posted?

Where are you during all the other discussions that occur here? Do you not have any insight on those; I mean, after all, you've got 20+ years of full-time pro shooting experience.

Cheers,
Dave
 
dcsang said:
I never said that one SHOULD hire based on race/creed/colour/religion etc.

Please don't hesitate to point out the post in which I did state such a thing.

Thank you,
Dave
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please don't hesitate to point out the post in which I did state that you stated such a thing. ;)

it's called a counterpoint, not a quote. you're an awfully defensive guy, eh? what i was speaking about was EOE and the laws that say one SHOULD hire based on race/creed/color/religion etc in certain situations.
 
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PhotoMat said:
You're Irish? I've always suspected the hat in your avatar photo was covering a shock of red hair!;)
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hehe.. not quite.

I'm always more than happy to "clarify" my race/cultural background for folks because many, oh so so so so many, seem to "get it wrong" when they're trying to guess or when they presume to know my culture :D

Cheers,
Dave
 
Al Kaplan said:
There's a nearby Chinese resaurant that I frequent. In the last year or so it was purchased by a black Haitian gentleman. He kept all of the employees, kept the same name and menu, but it does seem strange to enter a Chnese restaurant and be greeted by a black guy with a Kreyole accent.
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lol

Now try to imagine if it was bought by a hassidic Jew welcoming you in Yiddish

:D
 
sos314 said:
please don't hesitate to point out the post in which I did state that you stated such a thing. ;)

it's called a counter-point, not a quote. you're an awfully defensive guy, eh? what i was speaking about was EOE and the laws that say one SHOULD hire based on race/creed/color/religion etc in certain situations.
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I don't feel I am a "defensive guy" but when one posts a statement that is a "counter point" (as you say) and also selectively pulls a portion of a post to quote it does look "suspicious" - remember, online you cannot hear the person speaking so I will take it as I can/will interpret it.

With respect to your question regarding it being ludicrous to pass up on someone who has qualifications - yes, it is dumb to pass on someone who clearly can, will and does perform a particular task extremely well in favour of someone who cannot, will not or does not perform the same task to a similar level. However, if you completely avoid interviewing someone based on their creed/colour/religion etc. it is entirely discriminatory and the company/corporation should be called on it.

Dave
 
RayPA said:
wow. wish I'd known. I would have shopped elsewhere. I think I'll start paying more attention to Adorama.
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I wanted to see the actual news report before making a rush to judgement:

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/03/26/ap6217515.html


It is very very lacking in details. A settlement is not an admission of guilt, so I'm willing to give them a benefit of a doubt. If they were guilty, that would be very unbecoming of a devout group who pride themselves in their ethnicity and beliefs. Nobody's perfect. But that doesn't excuse double-standards. I'd like to find out more before I make a rash judgment.
 
sos314 said:
i am in no way supportive of racism or discrimination of any kind, but having to hire someone because you don't have enough of a certain race/creed/color is also pretty ludicrous. do you think it's fair that employers have to pass up applicants that are far more qualified for a position just because they're legally required to hire someone based on their color?
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it's called affirmative action, it's a big thing in the states
 
Come on Henry! you didn't want to help me....
What are you going to tell us next? I get upset hearing these things.

henryp said:
With all due respect, you misunderstand my job and my purpose in being here almost entirely. While I do seek to help customers with problems find resolution ...
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Gumby said:
Your highness, the King of Bokeh.

The OP mentions that it was Latino employees filing suit. Aren't they probably "people of colour"?

Who is posting here is not really relevant (my opinion that you can either agree or disagree with). But to answer your question, I have a color, and a religion, and a race, and a creed, and a national origin. Count me as the second in in the audit of persons of color. :)

I'm not seing the resentment you are seeing, against orthodox jews or anyone else. In past discussions I have seen people comment on how "inconvenient" it is to not be able to buy stuff from orthodox-jewish shops on the sabbath/holiday since they are closed... but that has always seemed to be resentment that the complainer failed to plan ahead rather than resentment of orthodox beliefs. maybe I'm wrong, though... I strive to be open-minded and accepting of any correction of my misbeliefs.
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i am not seeing discrimination when BH wants to employ friends/ relatives/ people they know from the local synagogue... but some people want to paint it as discrimination and racism: "i don't see people of color working there.." so what? it's witch hunt, liberal lynching, PC hypocrisy; idiocy bred out of resentment.
you can't buy at BH on a saturday? buy somewhere else. it's a free country.
 
FA Limited said:
it's called affirmative action, it's a big thing in the states
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yeah...and it perpetuates racism in the form of victimization. at least someone pockets 4 mil out of it... if you can't make it working just play victim and sue.
does it bring any respect? no. it perpetuates racism.
 
colker said:
"i don't see people of color working there.."

it's witch hunt, liberal lynching, PC hypocrisy; idiocy bred out of resentment.
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Are you sure? If so, how do we know that the intent is evil, versus just being an assinine statement? I'm still struggling with the connection between erroneous statement and resentment.
 
Calzone said:
I am a person of color.

Also please note that I was reporting an objective observation that over the past five years there has been a significant and notable change that I saw from over a decade ago. When I said zero-nada-nadia I was reporting what I saw on the floor.

What do you mean walk the walk?

Have you ever been to NYC and been in the store?

Have you been a customer there for over a decade.

Let's walk the walk.

Calzone
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yes i have been there. lots of hassidic jews working their asses in a very competent manner making NY the capital of photo equipment buying. so?
i think the small talk of petty accusations towards BH here are not nice. instead of posting this prejudiced crap about goyim and kosher food... why not work your asses to produce new relevant pictures?
i asked if there were people of color here because it seems mostly like a white middle class community raising other's equal opportunity flags. it looks like a smear campaign instead.
 
dcsang said:
I don't feel I am a "defensive guy" but when one posts a statement that is a "counter point" (as you say) and also selectively pulls a portion of a post to quote it does look "suspicious" - remember, online you cannot hear the person speaking so I will take it as I can/will interpret it
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you can't really offer a counterpoint without an original point to counter... yes?
 
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