best compact rf with fast lens

best compact rf with fast lens

  • Canonet ql17

    Votes: 70 27.3%

  • Canonet ql19

    Votes: 6 2.3%

  • Konica Auto S2

    Votes: 15 5.9%

  • Konica Auto S3

    Votes: 19 7.4%

  • Minolta 7sII

    Votes: 20 7.8%

  • Minolta Hi-Matic 9

    Votes: 9 3.5%

  • Olympus 35 SP

    Votes: 34 13.3%

  • Olympus 35 RD

    Votes: 14 5.5%

  • Yashica Electro 35 CC

    Votes: 17 6.6%

  • Yashica Lynx 14E

    Votes: 19 7.4%

  • Yashica Electro 35 GSN

    Votes: 33 12.9%
  • Total voters
    256
btgc said:
Reading on CC's max speed, I'll guess if it is dictated by construction of aperture?
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I thinks so. The Hexar AF - built 20 years after the "CC" and much more automated, had a similarly spec'd lens 35/2 (v the CC 35/1.8) and also had only a 2 blade leaf shutter and a top shutter speed of 1/250. Neither camera - especially the Hexar, was "low end". Wouldn't seem to be a cost-cutting measure. My guess is there is some physical limitation imposed by this lens spec (fast/wide) on shutter speed and shutter design with a leaf shutter. Kinda interesting. Would like to know if these assumptions are true (would seem to be) and why...
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NickTrop said:
I thinks so. The Hexar AF - built 20 years after the "CC" and much more automated, had a similarly spec'd lens 35/2 (v the CC 35/1.8) and also had only a 2 blade leaf shutter and a top shutter speed of 1/250. Neither camera - especially the Hexar, was "low end". Wouldn't seem to be a cost-cutting measure. My guess is there is some physical limitation imposed by this lens spec (fast/wide) on shutter speed and shutter design with a leaf shutter. Kinda interesting. Would like to know if these assumptions are true (would seem to be) and why...
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Interesting question. Given that shutters for LF lenses (though none as fast as f2,) are physically much larger and have speeds up 1/500, I don't think that's it. The AF is motor driven but the CC is not, so I don't think shot-to-shot performance is it either.
 
Trius said:
Interesting question. Given that shutters for LF lenses (though none as fast as f2,) are physically much larger and have speeds up 1/500, I don't think that's it. The AF is motor driven but the CC is not, so I don't think shot-to-shot performance is it either.
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Hi Trius : ) It is curious, though. Why the top shutter of 1/250 and 2-blade shutter construction on both cameras made decades apart? Had to be some physical/engineering consideration, and a big one, since the Konica engineers couldn't overcome it 20 years after the fact. Why limit a higher-end RF like the Hexar AF to 1/250th top shutter speed? Why the 2-blade aperture?
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sircarl said:
I voted for the Canon QL17 when this poll first came out, but I later sold mine and got a Yashica GX. It's miles ahead of the Canon in image quality, and a joy to use. This from a trip to Palermo last year:


http://sircarl.smugmug.com/photos/387888309_y6Ug6-XL.jpg
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Tomioka Optical, then Yashica-owned, are much underrated overall... along with Konica and Pentax. Not to slight the others... They just cranked out great lenses and left the "mystique building" efforts to others (cough... Leica, cough... Nikon). Camera manufactures competeted in a "monopolistiIC competition" setting if ever there was one...
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Monopolistic competition is a common market structure where many competing producers sell products that are differentiated from one another products (ie. the products are substitutes, but are not exactly alike)...

Monopolistically competitive markets have the following characteristics:

There are many producers and many consumers in a given market, and no business has total control over the market price.
Consumers perceive that there are non-price differences among the competitors' products.
There are few barriers to entry and exit[2].
Producers have a degree of control over price.

Another concern of critics of monopolistic competition is that it fosters advertising and the creation of brand names. Critics argue that advertising induces customers into spending more on products because of the name associated with them rather than because of rational factors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopolistic_competition

The above is the reason why I never buy and will never buy expensive cameras
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NickTrop said:
Why limit a higher-end RF like the Hexar AF to 1/250th top shutter speed? Why the 2-blade aperture?
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I'm not familiar with Hexar, though this morning Konica Auto S3 came to mind - well, it's not exactly wide, though close - 38/1.8 and has....I can't find direct statement how many diaphragm blades it has, though I'm pretty sure they are five.

Interesting, how design compares to CC and Hexar lens to allow use of more blades (please, confirm or decline this, anyone). My speculation is that KAS3 is shutter priority only, so automatic aperture selection could be more compact than manual aperture selection. Though GN system also sets aperture, so I'm not dead sure if this is the reason. Do really those extra 3mm make difference ? :)
 
Another vote for the Yashica 35 GX. Great 6 element 40/1.7 lens, contrasty VF with parallax correction, 1/500 top speed, and smaller and lighter than most on the list. Can fit in the pocket of your windbreaker without wrecking the jacket. I think the black version is especially sharp looking. Don't foresee parting with mine.
 
Hey 'Krosya',

could you tell me what kind of shade/hood you're using on your Oly 35 RD?

What brand is it and where did you buy it from?

Thanks a lot in advance!!
 

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I vote for the Lynx 14e.

It ist not a really compact RF, more a bulky one.

But it has a really nice fastF 1,4 Lens!
 

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