Bill58
Native Texan
I hate to ask such a dumb, elementary question, but I'm a total d______w/ respect to Russian lenses. Would anyone please educate me?
Thanks,
Bill
Thanks,
Bill
IGMeanwell
Well-known
Do you mean like a soft focus lens? Or just 50mm that has a real soft bokeh wide open? or just a soft bokeh in general?
Bill58
Native Texan
Slighly soft in the center and very soft on the outside.
Spyderman
Well-known
Jupiter 8 wide open.
ZorkiKat
ЗоркийК&
Jupiter 3 would fit your bill, Bill. 
Jupiter-3 at F:1,5 with Leica M3 (Neopan 400 film in Rodinal):
Jupiter-3 at F:1,5 with Leica M3 (Chinese BW ISO 100 in paRodinal):
Jupiter-3 at F:1,5 with Zorki-1 (Chinese BW ISO 100 in paRodinal):
The more common (and less expensive) Jupiter-8 also makes good bokeh.
At F:4 (with a Zorki-1 and Chinese BW ISO 100 ), here is what it does:
Jay
Jupiter-3 at F:1,5 with Leica M3 (Neopan 400 film in Rodinal):

Jupiter-3 at F:1,5 with Leica M3 (Chinese BW ISO 100 in paRodinal):

Jupiter-3 at F:1,5 with Zorki-1 (Chinese BW ISO 100 in paRodinal):

The more common (and less expensive) Jupiter-8 also makes good bokeh.
At F:4 (with a Zorki-1 and Chinese BW ISO 100 ), here is what it does:

Jay
Didier
"Deed"
The Canon 50@f1.2:

santino
FSU gear head
def. Jupiter 3 or 8 (when it comes to FSU) 
santino said:def. Jupiter 3 or 8 (when it comes to FSU)![]()
Both Zeiss Sonnar "copies"
Jupiter 3 is 50/1.5
Jupiter 8 is 50/2
oscroft
Veteran
One more vote for the J-8 for me (and I can't vote for the J-3 because I haven't used one)
ZorkiKat
ЗоркийК&
Didier said:The Canon 50@f1.2:
Were there FSU Canon 50 F:1,2 ? Soviet Canons must be very rare!
santino
FSU gear head
I've got a pre-war 2/50 Sonnar in Kiev mount and it's even softer than my J8's
must be the coating
must be the coating
Coatings and improvements.
I said before that the Jupiters are Sonnar "copies," I wonder to what degree if any improvements/changes were made to the optical formulas through the years. I guess there have been some as the J8 became the J8m and there is the Helios 103 which is a derivative too right?
I said before that the Jupiters are Sonnar "copies," I wonder to what degree if any improvements/changes were made to the optical formulas through the years. I guess there have been some as the J8 became the J8m and there is the Helios 103 which is a derivative too right?
santino
FSU gear head
is the Helios 103 a derivative?
Spyderman
Well-known
No. H-103 is a Biotar symmetrical design. Something completely different.
ZorkiKat
ЗоркийК&
rover said:Coatings and improvements.
I said before that the Jupiters are Sonnar "copies," I wonder to what degree if any improvements/changes were made to the optical formulas through the years. I guess there have been some as the J8 became the J8m and there is the Helios 103 which is a derivative too right?
The older "white" Jupiter 50mms seem to be better than the latter ones. I only have the the white J-3, late 1950s vintage, but have several J-8 for comparison. Aside from quality control (shimming, RF coupling accuracy etc), the construction of the earlier Jupiters were of higher quality. Front filter rings and the RF cams did not rotate as the lens was focused. Non-rotating RF cams could be worth noting by those who are concerned that the rubbing, rotating action might wear out the cam or the sloped tip of the RF arms found in FED or Zorki cameras.
In contrast, the later Jupiter appear to have simplified mechanisms, with focusing movements similar to those found in single-helical collapsible Industars. The front ring rotates, the coupling cams rotate, barrel material seem softer and lighter, loose aperture rings with a generally 'cheaper' feel.
Optically, the Jupiters appear to retain their good points, regardless of vintage. The older ones may appeal to those who prefer a 'different' (aged? romantic?) look associated with older lenses. The later Jupiters however seem to do better in colour. The 'blue' glass of the older Jupiter often makes a strange yellow-greenish cast in some colour exposures.
Jay
I believe the Helios 103's part in this picture is that it was optimized to for color photography. I had to read that somewhere on the web, wish I could remember where.
R
Richard Black
Guest
I have both the J3 and J8 and both have the characteristics you desire. I have a collapsible Industar 50, f3.5 that would also meet your requirements.
Bill58
Native Texan
I'm gonna try: the Industar 22 rigid; J3; and Industar 61 L/D and compare the results.
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