BREXIT: UK members might want to consider GAS before the June 23 referendum

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I was joking. I would not have gone to the UK this summer. Yes, I agree with you that most likely this is a day of panic.
 
photomoof said:
The savings is only about 3% over going to the EU. Not worth worrying about. Leica does not have their factory in the UK.

Listen to the DOW, it says this is just a day of irrational panic.
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This is almost certainly the case - nothing has changed yet and won't for some time - a bit of profit taking.

Markets and currencies are stabilising.

There is a view that GB are just at the head of a Western trend away from globalisation.

The EU establishment got it wrong - they had it within their power to provide some modest reforms that could have significantly altered the vote.

Nicola Sturgeon is just making political capital - there is a significant difference between expressing a desire to remain within the EU and a desire to leave the UK to which Scotland said no quite recently.

This has been more about the political classes not having a clue about what austerity and pressure on public services actually feels like.

It will all work out in the end, but there may be a few bumps in the road.

Finally its the EU we don't like, not Europeans, that is, the institution not the people.
 
Borge H said:
It is a fact that the large influx of people from Middle-East and North Africa change our countries in Europe. In the second largest city in Sweden (Malmö) the most common name given to newborn children is Muhammed. That is not an old swedish name...

The muslim part of this city demands separate hours for men and women in bathhouses. The jewish part of the population say that they are often harassed in the streets, some of them leave the city. In the "no-go" areas where many immigrants live the police, fire fighters or the ambulances very often meet stone throwing young immigrant males. The ambulance now always waits for police back-up before entering these areas.

The massive influx of immigrants, many of them illiterate, create many problems. In average a Somali man goes on welfare for 7 years before even finding some job....🙁
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This is a classic case of "Karma" results....... Before the influx from ME and North Africa there was a huge influx of Sri Lankan Tamils in Sweden, warmly welcomed by the then Government. They were pretending to play Mother Teresa to all the ethnic minority Tamil population in North Sri Lanka using terrorism as a means to advance their cause for a separate county.

If you look a little more deeply, soon after the Sweedish government started taking in huge numbers of these refugees, the rebels/freedom fighters/terrorists suddenly getting armed with fighter jets, submarines etc, with sources from Sweeden.

This really begs the question what was the intention of the then Sweedish Government playing Mother Teresa to the Tamil Rebels.

Only time will tell, what is the intention of the current government to accommodate all these "illiterate" Ethiopians to live upto 7 years on social state welfare....
 
Gid said:
Nicola Sturgeon is just making political capital - there is a significant difference between expressing a desire to remain within the EU and a desire to leave the UK to which Scotland said no quite recently.
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The Scots made it clear they want to stay in the EU, and right now the conditions have changed from 2015, as some members from Scotland have written here they are considering getting out of the UK and inside the EU...which is something I hope it will happen.

Then you can have your Little Britain and live happy without the "EU elite" on your own with the Welsh.
 
Wulfthari said:
The Scots made it clear they want to stay in the EU, and right now the conditions have changed from 2015, as some members from Scotland have written here they are considering getting out of the UK and inside the EU...which is something I hope it will happen.

Then you can have your Little Britain and live happy without the "EU elite" on your own with the Welsh.
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This referendum was about membership of the EU which should not be conflated with membership of the UK. I repeat that the SNP are just making political capital. For someone who earns their living in the UK you've got a pretty crappy opinion of the British. I expect you've already booked your plane ticket back to Italy???
 
mkvrnn said:
I am desperately sad and disappointed by the result. I feel that leaving will be a massive backward step, not only for the UK but also for our European friends and probably for the world in general.
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Australia House, Strand, London WC2B 4LA, United Kingdom....... the forms are ready for you to sign, come on down 😀
 
I’m also in the camp of those who believe this outcome will not make a huge difference, in the end . The UK was inside looking out and now it will be outside looking in. The 2 yr negotiation period will result in an situation that preserves the interests of the European managerial class in the global economy. The economy is the driver here, not national political interests, and there are too many shared interests at the top for real change to occur. The system has a lot of inertia and stability built into it. 2007 was a greater shock. So yes we’ll get a lot of bluster about how England has reconquered its independence but paradoxically this vote that is supposed to prove reasserted national sovereignty may result in showing once again that national elections in Europe have little effect overall.

As a French citizen, I’m more worried about the fact that Britain will no longer influence the institutional evolution of the EU (and indirectly France). That’s because I think British influence has been very beneficial , in the direction of political liberalism . French political culture is illiberal and the autocratic behavior of Germany recently, in the Greek crisis, does not inspire confidence. Had the UK stayed in, it could have influenced a reform of EU institutions towards a larger role for parliament and greater accountability.
 
Gid said:
.. . For someone who earns their living in the UK you've got a pretty crappy opinion of the British. . . .
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Not really. Just of the stupid ones. And for that matter, not so much the British as the English. Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain, after all.

Not all Brexit supporters are stupid. But why shouldn't one have a low opinion of the Little Englanders who are?

Cheers,

R.
 
lamefrog said:
. . . As a French citizen, I’m more worried about the fact that Britain will no longer influence the institutional evolution of the EU (and indirectly France). That’s because I think British influence has been very beneficial , in the direction of political liberalism . French political culture is illiberal and the autocratic behavior of Germany recently, in the Greek crisis, does not inspire confidence. Had the UK stayed in, it could have influenced a reform of EU institutions towards a larger role for parliament and greater accountability.
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As a Cornishman living in France, I have to agree. But such nuances, and such concern for others (or the future), are not typical of les anglo-saxons who are lamentably often incapable of anything other than short-term thinking.

Amitiés,

R.
 
Gid said:
This referendum was about membership of the EU which should not be conflated with membership of the UK. I repeat that the SNP are just making political capital. For someone who earns their living in the UK you've got a pretty crappy opinion of the British. I expect you've already booked your plane ticket back to Italy???
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Indeed of most of them.

For the record I was invited here by a company owned by Indian investors (when it was in British hands it bankrupted three times, have you ever heard about British Leyland?) with a German CEO and most of the management from the EU.

That is going pretty well because we are teaching the Brits how to make cars...of course you can continue on making the Defender, the old Mini and the XJ for the next 30 years. 😉

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36621030

Still you don't like the taste of your own medicine, I assume. Go Scotland, go! Celebrate your Independence Day!

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Wulfthari said:
Indeed of most of them.

For the record I was invited here by a company owned by Indian investors (when it was in British hands it bankrupted three times, have you ever heard about British Leyland?) with a German CEO and most of the management from the EU.

That is going pretty well because we are teaching the Brits how to make cars...of course you can continue on making the Defender, the old Mini and the XJ for the next 30 years. 😉

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36621030

Still you don't like the taste of your own medicine, I assume. Go Scotland, go! Celebrate your Independence Day!
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There you go then. you won't be winning any hearts and minds in the UK. For your information I am Scottish born and bred.

Don't you think it is ironic that the SNP want out of a political union where they can exercise a significant amount of self determination to join one that would allow them much less?
 
photomoof said:
The savings is only about 3% over going to the EU. Not worth worrying about. Leica does not have their factory in the UK.

Listen to the DOW, it says this is just a day of irrational panic.
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So far it's been a weird day - the Dow dropped 500 points and my mutual funds made $600.00 (not that

i have that much in it at all, but it is diversified) - will see what's up at the closing bell 😕

I do hope the British economy does well despite their Brexiting.
 
Gid said:
For all of those who keep talking about another Scottish independence referendum, Please read this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...s-second-independence-referendum--that-suits/

Sturgeon is making political capital.
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Well, as far as I remember one of the argument why Scotland voted to stay in UK was that they were told that outside UK they are not automatically a member of EU, so one can say that their willingness to stay in UK was driven by the willingness to stay in EU... How ironic. I am surprised that somebody can say that Scottish independence vote and Brexit are not related. Scotland will be independent within a next couple years, if not sooner.
 
Gid said:
Nicola Sturgeon is just making political capital
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And, of course, Mr Johnson isn't. 🙄

Gid said:
This has been more about the political classes not having a clue about what austerity and pressure on public services actually feels like.
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Austerity and public service cuts that have been visited upon us, with huge enthusiasm, by the UK (Tory) government, NOT by the EU.

Gid said:
Finally its the EU we don't like, not Europeans, that is, the institution not the people.
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Speak for yourself. Right now, it's the English that I don't like - and I'm English. 😡
 
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