BREXIT: UK members might want to consider GAS before the June 23 referendum

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I suspect the uncertainty created by Brexit and the many implications of it including the potential losers in a wealthier nation like Britain, will focus other Europeans on counting their current blessings where there are some. So mass exit seems less likely rather than more likely by my reading.
 
paulfish4570 said:
oh, my, when will the whining by the losers end!
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Well, it wouldn't have ended if the situation had been reversed, either. Here's a quote from the Mirror newspaper website, from an interview with Mr Farage on 16th May:

"Nigel Farage warns today he would fight for a second referendum on Britain in Europe if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin next month.

The Ukip leader said a small defeat for his leave camp would be “unfinished business” and predicted pressure would grow for a re-run of the 23 June ballot.

Farage told the Mirror: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”
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The actual result was 51.9 - 48.1 in favour of the Leave campaign.

 
zauhar said:
Hi Paul ,

You can only sell a lie for so long. It's gotten to the point that the common man and woman realize they have been taken. If the elites do not adjust their attitudes - and quickly - there will be hell to pay all around.

Sadly, some of us, and clearly not members of the elite, continue to buy into the lie - just because a 'good old boy' like you has seen through the ruse! ;-)

Randy
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Hi,

Why are you equating elite with liars? Most of them are politicians.

Regards, David

PS (Edit) A lot of things said during the run up to the vote may have been missed by those of you not reading the UK's so called newspapers. I've seen and heard claims that equated a vague "europe" with Hitler and the Nazi party, rapists and heaven only knows what else. Cameron did a very justified rant, imo, about all the lies being told ad spread.
 
raid said:
It would be the z test for a proportion where we test the hypothesis that p is less or equal to 50% versus p exceeds 50%. With such a huge "sample", of course the test will be significant. The difference between BREXIT support and REMAIN support is non-zero, and it favored BREXIT.

This is a statistically significant difference, but is it a meaningful difference on the ground? In clinical trials, we often hear a similar argument. It is of statistical significance, but is it of clinical significance? Drug X shows a 0.1% improvement in the patients over Drug Y. Is it of clinical relevance?
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Hi,

You should never explain jokes as it destroys them completely. They work because they make people think and realise things that they wouldn't normally think about.

(EDIT: Sorry Raid, I didn't mean it to be as blunt as that.)

As the great man said, if you want to tell the truth you have to make it a joke...

Regards, David
 
paulfish4570 said:
oh, my, when will the whining by the losers end!
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Hi,

My money's on the winners whining for a lot longer when they get the independence they want; for a lot of them it will be independence from working for a living...

But this isn't purely a black and white situation, so winners and losers doesn't cover it, although it does simplify matters and that was the problem with the referendum.

FWIW, I think people ought to take a voters test before they can vote, a lot like a driving test. And the tests for the people they vote for would be even stricter...

Regards, David
 
raid said:
There are always "50% below the median".
Definition: The median of a population is that value such that 50% of the population exceed it and 50% fall below it.
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With anything as sloppily defined, culturally specific and subjective as "intelligence", it matters very little whether you use arithmetic mean, geometric mean, median or probably even mode. "Average" is at least as precise as any of the attempts at refinement.

Cheers,

R.
 
David Hughes said:
Hi,

My money's on the winners whining for a lot longer when they get the independence they want; for a lot of them it will be independence from working for a living...

But this isn't purely a black and white situation, so winners and losers doesn't cover it, although it does simplify matters and that was the problem with the referendum.

FWIW, I think people ought to take a voters test before they can vote, a lot like a driving test. And the tests for the people they vote for would be even stricter...

Regards, David
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Dear David,

Not sure about Para 3, but Para 1 is very likely true and Para 2 is indisputable.

Those who whinge about "elites" might also ask themselves (a) what they mean by "elite" and (b) how the "elite" got to be the "elite" in the first place. Sometimes the answer is inherited wealth (which by definition they did nothing to earn); sometimes, privilege (the right school, university, etc.); but to the resentful, "elite" is often a place-holder for intelligence and education. I'm certainly not wealthy, and rather less privileged than many (certainly not Eton and Oxford)...

Cheers,

R.
 
Over 3 million on the petition on the government website now

At this rate it could overtake the Leave vote in a week or so 😀

What's become clear in the last 24 hours is the leadership of the Leave campaigns had no expectation of winning and haven't a clue how they can get net immigration down. A UKIP speaker in BBC Any Questions show yesterday was quite explicit that their policy on immigration is to use the issue to get electoral support so they can get into Parliament. Their immigration policy is to spread fear of immigration, to boost their party's chances. They have no ideas whatsoever how to reduce it.

So just a bunch of neo-fascist liars. NOT the representatives of the aspirations of those whose votes they seek. Just old-style populist hucksters. Anyone from the USA remember Huey P Long?

Jim
 
Emile de Leon said:
I just read that this is the beginning of the end for the EU..and that a fiscal crisis the size of 2008 is on the way..
Don't know if that's going to happen or not..but...this is serious biz..not to be trifled with..
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The end of the EU...I see it unlikely, as they are asking the UK to leave as soon as possible I assume somebody has scented the smell of money they make without London (that is a sort of fiscal paradise in the EU at the moment) in the market.

The end of the UK is much more likely, the Scots are already preparing a referendum:

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For the financial crisis, I don't think it will reach the peak of 2008 but it's going to be a serious issue for the next months

fireblade said:
Apparently the Mother country wasn't going anywhere 24 hours before the voting started.
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Interesting to see how you think to know Sweden better than a Swedish...I know that country well as I had the privilege to live there for my master when I was a young student, and they way Swedes think is way different from the isolationist English.

Jim-st said:
Over 3 million on the petition on the government website now

At this rate it could overtake the Leave vote in a week or so 😀

What's become clear in the last 24 hours is the leadership of the Leave campaigns had no expectation of winning and haven't a clue how they can get net immigration down. A UKIP speaker in BBC Any Questions show yesterday was quite explicit that their policy on immigration is to use the issue to get electoral support so they can get into Parliament. Their immigration policy is to spread fear of immigration, to boost their party's chances. They have no ideas whatsoever how to reduce it.

So just a bunch of neo-fascist liars. NOT the representatives of the aspirations of those whose votes they seek. Just old-style populist hucksters. Anyone from the USA remember Huey P Long?

Jim
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The only way to bring net immigration down is issuing VISAs, barring European foreigners to get in the UK without a job and deporting those who lost it, that's pretty simple.

The problem is that they want to have that privilege AND they also want to have access to the free market, and that proves they are so damn unfair and there should not be any negotiation with those people.
 
Don't think they have a clue about anything at all. They are stalling, coming back on what they said before, (nothing new for a politician, but not this fast) and certainly were not prepared about the rest of the EU saying that they should leave as fast as possible.

They now have to stick their necks out and know that they are going to be scrutinised with a microscope and will have the bill for the tiniest misstep presented. Don't think any politician likes that.
 
Jim-st said:
Over 3 million on the petition on the government website now

At this rate it could overtake the Leave vote in a week or so 😀

What's become clear in the last 24 hours is the leadership of the Leave campaigns had no expectation of winning and haven't a clue how they can get net immigration down. A UKIP speaker in BBC Any Questions show yesterday was quite explicit that their policy on immigration is to use the issue to get electoral support so they can get into Parliament. Their immigration policy is to spread fear of immigration, to boost their party's chances. They have no ideas whatsoever how to reduce it.

So just a bunch of neo-fascist liars. NOT the representatives of the aspirations of those whose votes they seek. Just old-style populist hucksters. Anyone from the USA remember Huey P Long?

Jim
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Hmmm, I thought obtaining goods or services by deceit was illegal. And since no one should profit by an illegal act I wonder if the referendum could be overturned...

Perhaps this is a chance for everyone to get out of the mess they've caused by being honest, statesmanlike and starting again but with the truth. Trouble is, it will take Nissan and a few others to close and explain why before people realise what they've done.

Regards, David
 
Spanik said:
Don't think they have a clue about anything at all. They are stalling, coming back on what they said before, (nothing new for a politician, but not this fast) and certainly were not prepared about the rest of the EU saying that they should leave as fast as possible.

They now have to stick their necks out and know that they are going to be scrutinised with a microscope and will have the bill for the tiniest misstep presented. Don't think any politician likes that.
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Hmmm, before that happens all the MP's caught fiddling their expenses in 2009 will be arrested and prosecuted. I won't be holding my breath..

Regards, David
 
greyelm said:
The stars on the EU flag are just a design feature and don't represent actual members. However I appreciate your symbolism, be prepared to cross out a few more stars in the coming years. 😛
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Indeed so ...
Pressure building in other EU countries for exit especially France and Austria.
 
France? Maybe, they are chauvinist enough to think they can make it on their own. On the other hand the rivalry with Germany is so big that giving them any perceived advantage is maybe a step too much. And they have a lot to loose of subventions.

Austria, don't know well enough. I'd think they'll follow Germany.
 
Spanik said:
Don't think they have a clue about anything at all. They are stalling, coming back on what they said before, (nothing new for a politician, but not this fast) and certainly were not prepared about the rest of the EU saying that they should leave as fast as possible.

They now have to stick their necks out and know that they are going to be scrutinised with a microscope and will have the bill for the tiniest misstep presented. Don't think any politician likes that.
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Not what Angela Merkel is saying, quite the opposite and whilst the commission heads and finance ministers might be p***ed it seems they might have acted too hastily.
 
Gid said:
Not what Angela Merkel is saying, quite the opposite and whilst the commission heads and finance ministers might be p***ed it seems they might have acted too hastily.
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Probably you heard this info from the same source that was promising 350 milions per year for the NHS.

According to the Italian newspapers she solicited the UK to leave as soon as possible, your representative in the EU commission already resigned as so your Euro parlamentares, they are having meetings between the three major shareholders of the Union (Italy, Germany and France) and they are all determined to accelerate the process as much as possible.

See? Sometimes being fluent in another language might be of help when you are selecting your sources.😉
 
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