Brutally honest critique thread

Ok ... I'm game, tear this one to bits! 😀


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When you put someone so strongly in the foreground, the girl in this case, then the image is about her, but the guy with his costume distracts from the girl.

This image is not aesthetically pleasing to stand on its own and its not wide enough to tell a story or give context to the scene, so the viewer, me in this case, is left with not enough information, not enough aesthetic elements.
 
Dan, very interesting image. I just wish to see a bit higher quality. The poor definition has nothing to do with critique.

I like Helen Hill's image as well. Very classic. Nothing to add.

So here is one of mine for who wants to give me a brutal critique:

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You probably knew what you were doing with this shot, but the blue is too strong with banding all over it, which means it was probably a jpg shot.

The skin of the woman in the foreground looks a sort of dark green in my monitor.

The helicopter also is an anomaly because this is a 'moody' picture with its vintage look but the helicopter makes it look like somebody was in trouble in the water.
 
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First, I disagree entirely with Hsq's critique (well he's right about the main subject, but wrong about everything else - for example, the people aren't competing because of selective focus). No idea what he's smoking...!

OK... I don't usually critique on line because (a) some people can be sensitive and (b) it takes a lot of words to do it properly.

When I look at a photograph, I'm primarily interested in what it's telling me. Technical shortcomings are only problematic if they detract from the image: would it be a better photograph without _____? If the answer is "it makes no difference", then it's not a fault. So, a blown highlight or noise may or may not be a fault.

That said, on to your photograph...

I like it. It's a good image, and I can't fault the composition. At this size, there are no technical issues - it's well exposed, sharp and the plane of focus is sensibly placed.

Photographs of this type have a job to do: to tell a story. And this photograph tells its story well. We are obviously in a dressing room, perhaps of a theatre. The primary interaction - and where the focus is deliberately placed, emphasising this for the viewer - is between the woman in the foreground and someone outside the frame: the eyes tell us that. That makes the photograph interesting by making the viewer part of the narrative - we want to know what she's being asked to do. The person in the background also intrigues: we see her reaching - but for what? The photographer has correctly used selective focus to render this second woman out of focus - doing so makes her of secondary importance to the woman in the foreground. So, we have an overall narrative that revolves around a dressing room, with a main plot and a sub-plot, involving incomplete actions outside the frame (looking and reaching) that intrigue us, the viewer.

Every object in the photograph supports this narrative, as does the tonality and composition. Everything that the photographer presents to us here plays a role - the supporting cast if you will (ha ha - see what I did there 🙂 ) - and does it well: there are no distractions, no visual dissonance.

That said, if were being picky, the white shirt of the background woman would be better toned down a bit; and there are a couple shirts slap back in the middle that are a bit too bright. Both draw the eye too forcibly. The composition in this image uses a circular dynamic, whereby the eye travels along the women's bodies, the top rail of clothes and the cuffs in the lower rail, resting on points of interest (the face in the foreground (primary point), the second woman's torso (secondary point) and assorted other areas such as the cuffs in the lower rail and the pale dresses in the upper clothing rail (tertiary points), and the too-bright shirts break this circle. Darkening the areas mentioned slightly would (a) ensure that the two women don't compete visually (the second woman must be distinctly visually secondary) and (b) the eye isn't pulled out of the circle (the viewer should be seduced to leave the circle, not forced!). But don't darken too much: a common fault is to remove or tone down everything other than the main subject(s), and that makes for a very dull photograph - a picture should (usually) contain detail for us to enjoy, yet which doesn't compete with the main subject(s).

So, full marks Keith. You've managed to make the everyday interesting - which is one of the things photography is especially good at, but which photographers often fail to do. More importantly perhaps, I've enjoyed this photograph - despite it not being the kind of photograph I'd take personally! If photographed badly, scenes like this are exceptionally boring to look that, and it takes a good eye and skill to pull it off. Anyone can take an interesting photograph of an interesting scene...

Right - lunch!
 
Dan, very interesting image. I just wish to see a bit higher quality. The poor definition has nothing to do with critique.

I like Helen Hill's image as well. Very classic. Nothing to add.

So here is one of mine for who wants to give me a brutal critique:

Copter.jpg

Hi Ned,
It is your image so you know best why you took this photo this way.
Several people here have already posted comments on it, so I will not repeat such comments.

Instead, I would try to modify it, simply to take another look at the original. I often do this part to my images.

1. Level the horizon.
2. Reduce color saturation.
3. Crop the top 50% of the image, starting with the helicopter.

You then have an image of the beach scene where the focus is on the people in the water.

In the end, it is your image, so do what you see if most appealing to you eyes.
 

'Mysterious' and tense. Not certain what is going on- is the helicopter crashing, or is it going in to rescue someone someone we can't see? Is the darkness on the right edge smoke or processing residue? The tilt- the need to get off the shot before the crash?

More than anything, this image speaks to me of the ambiguity of photography, of how little we can know from a moment in time.

It also speaks to me of lomography and instagram, dime a dozen filters applied to make things look 'cool' and edgy. You applied the filter well in creating a coherent look of tension and confusion. Standing on its own, I don't know of this is a 'style' or an accident, and if the filter is again a lucky accident or if you do know what you are doing to create a mood. This is the problem with single image criticism like in this thread- is this a one-off or a style?
 
Looks like a throw away Hipstamatic shot to me.

I could see there might be something interesting but the heavy handed filtering and borders of Hipstamatic overwhelms the pictoral content.

Think I'd prefer an unfiltered landscape oriented shot with some sky cropped out if anything.

NY Times ran some good stuff shot in Iraq or Afghanistan with Hipstamatic and I'm not against it in principal, just doesn't work for me here.

Kinda not sure if your pulling our collective chain with it...


Dan, very interesting image. I just wish to see a bit higher quality. The poor definition has nothing to do with critique.

I like Helen Hill's image as well. Very classic. Nothing to add.

So here is one of mine for who wants to give me a brutal critique:

Copter.jpg
 
Ok ... I'm game, tear this one to bits! 😀


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Keith, others

My overall feeling when looking to this photo is sadly to shrug my shoulders. So this photo doesnt give me that much.

So to the more constructive feedback critique.

The composition is interesting with (at least) 3 elements. A youg girl potraited on the side that normally are "read" last, a strong human shape at left, and a row of repeating patterns (clothes). The human at left has white clothing (hence "strong human shape") that draws the attention and competes with the girl. There is no connection between these elements, so the only tension is in the competetion of attention. This in fact makes it less exciting.

The girls attention is outside the photo making her disconnected t othe viewer, decreasing the tension and hence the interest of the viewer. She is otherwise well placed in the photo.

So to the most important for me. I dont get the story. What is the publisher trying to tell me? This might be because Im outside the social context in this photo.

P.S. Im new to this thread. My apologies if I have misunderstood who / what to critique.

Thanks for posting a photo to dicuss 😉
 
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First, I disagree entirely with Hsq's critique (well he's right about the main subject, but wrong about everything else - for example, the people aren't competing because of selective focus). No idea what he's smoking...!

OK... I don't usually critique on line because (a) some people can be sensitive and (b) it takes a lot of words to do it properly.

When I look at a photograph, I'm primarily interested in what it's telling me. Technical shortcomings are only problematic if they detract from the image: would it be a better photograph without _____? If the answer is "it makes no difference", then it's not a fault. So, a blown highlight or noise may or may not be a fault.

That said, on to your photograph...

I like it. It's a good image, and I can't fault the composition. At this size, there are no technical issues - it's well exposed, sharp and the plane of focus is sensibly placed.

Photographs of this type have a job to do: to tell a story. And this photograph tells its story well. We are obviously in a dressing room, perhaps of a theatre. The primary interaction - and where the focus is deliberately placed, emphasising this for the viewer - is between the woman in the foreground and someone outside the frame: the eyes tell us that. That makes the photograph interesting by making the viewer part of the narrative - we want to know what she's being asked to do. The person in the background also intrigues: we see her reaching - but for what? The photographer has correctly used selective focus to render this second woman out of focus - doing so makes her of secondary importance to the woman in the foreground. So, we have an overall narrative that revolves around a dressing room, with a main plot and a sub-plot, involving incomplete actions outside the frame (looking and reaching) that intrigue us, the viewer.

Every object in the photograph supports this narrative, as does the tonality and composition. Everything that the photographer presents to us here plays a role - the supporting cast if you will (ha ha - see what I did there 🙂 ) - and does it well: there are no distractions, no visual dissonance.

That said, if were being picky, the white shirt of the background woman would be better toned down a bit; and there are a couple shirts slap back in the middle that are a bit too bright. Both draw the eye too forcibly. The composition in this image uses a circular dynamic, whereby the eye travels along the women's bodies, the top rail of clothes and the cuffs in the lower rail, resting on points of interest (the face in the foreground (primary point), the second woman's torso (secondary point) and assorted other areas such as the cuffs in the lower rail and the pale dresses in the upper clothing rail (tertiary points), and the too-bright shirts break this circle. Darkening the areas mentioned slightly would (a) ensure that the two women don't compete visually (the second woman must be distinctly visually secondary) and (b) the eye isn't pulled out of the circle (the viewer should be seduced to leave the circle, not forced!). But don't darken too much: a common fault is to remove or tone down everything other than the main subject(s), and that makes for a very dull photograph - a picture should (usually) contain detail for us to enjoy, yet which doesn't compete with the main subject(s).

So, full marks Keith. You've managed to make the everyday interesting - which is one of the things photography is especially good at, but which photographers often fail to do. More importantly perhaps, I've enjoyed this photograph - despite it not being the kind of photograph I'd take personally! If photographed badly, scenes like this are exceptionally boring to look that, and it takes a good eye and skill to pull it off. Anyone can take an interesting photograph of an interesting scene...

Right - lunch!

... I agree with most of that but, yep and while the penultimate paragraph was probably pretty accurate it is v picky 😀 ... and the last one a bit patronising ... sorry Rich
 
... I agree with most of that but, yep and while the penultimate paragraph was probably pretty accurate it is v picky 😀 ... and the last one a bit patronising ... sorry Rich
Wasn't meant to be.

One thing that photography does better than any other medium is to elevate the mundane and the everyday - making us look at things that we typically ignore, ordinarily couldn't care less about or otherwise pass by. But a lot of photographs of the mundane are, well, mundane themselves. The photographer needs to make me open my eyes, they need to elevate the ordinary and make it seem extraordinary - this requires a skill that a great many photographers lack. If they can't do this, well, why would I want to look at boring photograph of something uninteresting? This particular skill goes deeper than being able to compose and being technically proficient - it's easy to take an appealing photograph of an interesting and picturesque subject, but not of the mundane.

The oft-derided William Eggleston has this kind of eye, as he shows us in one my all-time favourite photographs: Untitled, Black Bayou Plantation, near Glendora, Mississippi, ca. 1970. It's just a photograph of some abandoned containers - yet Eggleston somehow makes us care about this scene and what's in it. It seems deeply significant, portentful, yet it's just a few lost bottles...

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Wasn't meant to be.

One thing that photography does better than any other medium is to elevate the mundane and the everyday - making us look at things that we typically ignore, ordinarily couldn't care less about or otherwise pass by. But a lot of photographs of the mundane are, well, mundane themselves. The photographer needs to make me open my eyes, they need to elevate the ordinary and make it seem extraordinary to me. And to do that takes skill - which Keith shows he has in this photograph.

The oft-derided William Eggleston has this kind of eye, as he shows us in one my all-time favourite photographs: Untitled, Black Bayou Plantation, near Glendora, Mississippi, ca. 1970. It's just a photograph of some abandoned containers - yet Eggleston somehow makes us care about this scene and what's in it. It seems deeply significant, portentful, yet it's just a few lost bottles...

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IMO: This is a perfect example of the prospect of making a profit based on the photographers name, rather than the merit of the picture itself, which determines what is successful and what isn't. If this pic were to be presented without a famous name attached, it would be panned. Even the horizon is tilted.
 
All you need to know is that Farah died last December at the age of 14. This photo was taken about a year earlier.
OK, now finish me off.

 
Wasn't meant to be.

One thing that photography does better than any other medium is to elevate the mundane and the everyday - making us look at things that we typically ignore, ordinarily couldn't care less about or otherwise pass by. But a lot of photographs of the mundane are, well, mundane themselves. The photographer needs to make me open my eyes, they need to elevate the ordinary and make it seem extraordinary to me. And to do that takes skill - which Keith shows he has in this photograph.

The oft-derided William Eggleston has this kind of eye, as he shows us in one my all-time favourite photographs: Untitled, Black Bayou Plantation, near Glendora, Mississippi, ca. 1970. It's just a photograph of some abandoned containers - yet Eggleston somehow makes us care about this scene and what's in it. It seems deeply significant, portentful, yet it's just a few lost bottles...

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No, I know there was no malice, I'm debating stuff here not attacking anything, sorry if it came over that way, but ... I am one of the last people to discourage ridicule of Mr Eggleston, and I'm disappointed you should think otherwise ... photography as an art-form is, and must be the art of the moment, immediate, incisive and piquant, Eggleston's dreary documentation of north America, the old days in colour is just nostalgia ... I would take a print of Keith's dancers in preference to any of Will's any day.

If the subject is stationary one doesn't need the immediacy of photography, there are lots of other media that do slow and considered artwork
 
This is a fantastic thread. Here's a picture I took about a year ago walking in Manhattan. For some reason (that I hope someone can help me understand) it is by far the picture with the most likes in my Flickr Photostream. I am open to critiques and comments 🙂


A Manhattan couple by Mahler_seele, on Flickr
 
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