Call me middle class

To quote a Mr. Andy Un, a retired camera store salesman arguing against Leica: "A sucker is always easily pleased..."

To quote a Boeing Surplus store manager, upon being asked what the pebbles in a bin was for: "Hey man, if don't know what it is, you ain't need it."

Ergo, there must have been only four classes: the gullible, the ignorant, both...or none of the above.
 
LOL.. well in denmark we used to call Ford and Opel a "Fopel" generic boring car, interestingly both seems to have improved and become much more interesting than they used to be. and Ford Europe seems much nicer than US made Fords.
 
Frankie said:
To quote a Mr. Andy Un, a retired camera store salesman arguing against Leica: "A sucker is always easily pleased..."

To quote a Boeing Surplus store manager, upon being asked what the pebbles in a bin was for: "Hey man, if don't know what it is, you ain't need it."

Ergo, there must have been only four classes: the gullible, the ignorant, both...or none of the above.
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Dear Frankie,

Be fair. For completeness, 'none of the above' should at the very least be subdivided into the arrogant, the stupid, and those with an unwarrantedly high opinion of their own knowledge and expertise. It might even include those who have a faint idea of what they are talking about, though I admit they're rare.

Cheers,

R.
 
For many people (those among the 10% unemployed), spending $2,500 on a camera is extravagance, and spending $7,000 on a digital camera is irresponsible.

Each is equal to one or more house payments.

In better times, your analogy probably is correct.
 
kshapero said:
Although I am mostly deficient in the above I was just having a little fun between 2 well known full frame digital rigs: one costing $2300 and the other $7000.
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Dear Akiva,

Sorry. It's just one of my 'hot buttons': the equation of class and income. On the one hand I've known rich men who were as dull, stupid, ignorant and grasping as one could readily imagine, and on the other, intelligent, highly cultured paupers.

Another one is 'earned' and 'was paid', as in 'So-and-so earned $1,000,000 last year'. All too often, it's a lie. That may have been what he was paid, but proving he earned it might be a bit more difficult.

Likewise 'is worth' and 'has a fortune of'. I've met a lot of millionaires who are worth a lot less than a lot of poor people I know. And some very nice millionaires (and poor arseholes) too, so it's not reverse snobbery.

Cheers,

R.
 
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No idea what you guys are talking but I just bought a Zeiss Ikonta for 44£.
And I'm a working class sort of a guy. But I feel I'm rich now.
 
Roger Hicks said:
Dear Frankie,

Be fair. For completeness, 'none of the above' should at the very least be subdivided into the arrogant, the stupid, and those with an unwarrantedly high opinion of their own knowledge and expertise. It might even include those who have a faint idea of what they are talking about, though I admit they're rare.

Cheers,

R.
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I had no idea what 'completeness" is. I know that I don't know [it all].

Until I had one data point, I have no reference at all. "None of the above" is a safe philosophic position to take.
 
kshapero said:
If the Leica M9 is the full frame digital for rich folks, then is the Nikon D700 the full frame digital for middle class folks?
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the d700 is for smart folks who know that they can get more out of it than an m9. The m9 is for romantics :angel:
 
fdigital said:
the d700 is for smart folks who know that they can get more out of it than an m9. The m9 is for romantics :angel:
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The M9 is for smart romantics who know that it'll give 'em better pictures than a D700 because they loath oversize, overweight, overcomplicated DSLRs; and who are prepared to make modest sacrifices in imaginary versatility in return for a small, light camera with intuitive controls.

"Imaginary" versatility because all that matters is that a camera takes the sort of pictures you want. If it doesn't, you'd be a fool to buy it. If nothing else does it as well, you'd be a fool to buy anything else. Assuming, of course, that you can afford it, which is an unfortunately pressing concern with the M9.

Cheers,

R.
 
I hardly pay any rent, don't have a family to maintain and no need for a car.. so my situation may not be typical but I'm far from rich, yet I still plan on getting an M9. I'm still kind of young (I like to think) and you only live once.. why not get a camera that I absolutely adore and I know will be a lot more practical for my means than something that I would see as merely a computer with some optics attached with which I would have no sense of connection?
For me it's simple, I can use the money I don't spend on some crummy second hand car on something that I really like.
Yes, I could get a 5D mk2, but that would be like getting a Sony stereo set, when you know you would really want to get that nice tube amp..
 
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