Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
Oh yeah... I can feel it! Its not far away now! Its gonna happen... I can definitely feel it! Get ready eBay, here come a whole lotta film cameras!
I've been doing a LOT of reading about digital cameras this past year. And I tried a few. But the film experience was still just too... luscious. But now... hmmm. Lately I've been following a few threads about the LX3. Wide fast lens, beautiful out-of-camera B&W, beautiful 13x19 prints... mmmmm.
Yeah, there's still a few wrinkles to work out... the viewfinder thing, etc., but... Can you feel it comin'?
I've been doing a LOT of reading about digital cameras this past year. And I tried a few. But the film experience was still just too... luscious. But now... hmmm. Lately I've been following a few threads about the LX3. Wide fast lens, beautiful out-of-camera B&W, beautiful 13x19 prints... mmmmm.
Yeah, there's still a few wrinkles to work out... the viewfinder thing, etc., but... Can you feel it comin'?
Happy shopping, Jamie!
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
Just ordered the LX3, and still loving the ZM +Biogon. I'm set for awhile... but I can feel it comin'!
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Oh yeah... I can feel it! Its not far away now! Its gonna happen... I can definitely feel it! Get ready eBay, here come a whole lotta film cameras!
I've been doing a LOT of reading about digital cameras this past year. And I tried a few. But the film experience was still just too... luscious. But now... hmmm. Lately I've been following a few threads about the LX3. Wide fast lens, beautiful out-of-camera B&W, beautiful 13x19 prints... mmmmm.
Yeah, there's still a few wrinkles to work out... the viewfinder thing, etc., but... Can you feel it comin'?
No, I can't feel it comin'. Maybe you're selling your film cameras, but I sure as hell ain't selling mine. Nor am I getting rid of the M8...
Cheers,
R.
squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
I'm digging my LX3, but I'm keeping my film cameras!
dcsang
Canadian & Not A Dentist
I've got concerns about the LX-3 - mainly it's lack of RAW support from Adobe (apparently due to some serious lens issues that are, again apparently, fixed in the software of the camera and SilkyPix), the "compactness" and others.
I'm willing to give it a chance but it's not nearly as "fun" yet as the Ricoh GR Digital II
Dave
I'm willing to give it a chance but it's not nearly as "fun" yet as the Ricoh GR Digital II
Dave
Al Kaplan
Veteran
It's amazing how much money I've made in the last few years BECAUSE I have a file of negatives and contact sheets going back to 1961. A singer and a couple of rock groups from the sixties, Indians from the early seventies, various political figures over the years. Will your digi files remain uncorrupted that long? Will the hardware still be available to read them?
squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
I think we can count on being able to read the files indefinitely. But I do doubt the physical integrity of the storage media.
mfogiel
Veteran
Digital will become interesting for me, when it will be able to challenge film in terms of B&W tonality. I don't see it happen any time soon. I don't think I'd even buy a full frame digital Zeiss Ikon for 500 USD if it is not going to make my B&W film shots look worse.
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
Gentlemen, Gentlemen... settle down!
Gentlemen, Gentlemen... settle down!
Gentlemen, the original point I was making is that "its coming".
No... of course the LX3 is NOT the film killer. However... you must admit that HUGE leaps have been made in digital image quality in just a few years. Things are very likely going to be moving in that direction even FASTER than we've seen.
So... regarding B&W tonality... man, the digital B&W I'm seeing come out of the LX3 is truly beautiful. Do you really think film is going to be able to claim the high ground for very much longer?
And regarding digital media storage: We photographers are just a tiny little niche when it comes to this issue. Very much bigger players in the world need/demand dependable, long-lived digital media to store data much more important than photographs. I think we can assume that the longevity problem will not be a problem for very much longer.
So... do you really believe that you'll be able to hold onto film when you're faced with a $1000 Voigtlander M-mount R7A with incredible auto-ISO and a dynamic range exceeding film? I'd say no more than 5 years from now... Can you feel it comin'?
Gentlemen, Gentlemen... settle down!
Gentlemen, the original point I was making is that "its coming".
No... of course the LX3 is NOT the film killer. However... you must admit that HUGE leaps have been made in digital image quality in just a few years. Things are very likely going to be moving in that direction even FASTER than we've seen.
So... regarding B&W tonality... man, the digital B&W I'm seeing come out of the LX3 is truly beautiful. Do you really think film is going to be able to claim the high ground for very much longer?
And regarding digital media storage: We photographers are just a tiny little niche when it comes to this issue. Very much bigger players in the world need/demand dependable, long-lived digital media to store data much more important than photographs. I think we can assume that the longevity problem will not be a problem for very much longer.
So... do you really believe that you'll be able to hold onto film when you're faced with a $1000 Voigtlander M-mount R7A with incredible auto-ISO and a dynamic range exceeding film? I'd say no more than 5 years from now... Can you feel it comin'?
sepiareverb
genius and moron
Why do you think digital will kill film? Did glass plates kill painting? Did 35mm kill 810? Different mediums for different folks. If you want to switch to something that plants your a$$ in front of your computer for hours more every day fine, I sure don't.
R
ruben
Guest
Hi Jamie,
Upon your thread I went to look at this camera for the first time, and everything looks so good. There is only one piece I don't identify in the advertizement I saw: a viewfinder.
I guess this hitch excludes me from the "boys and girls" cathegory and makes me a dyno. So there is nothing left to me but seat at the street with other homeless dynos and sing the song of Shirley Bassey*, "History repeating":
The word is about, there's something evolving,
whatever may come, the world keeps revolving
They say the next big thing is here,
that the revolution's near,
but to me it seems quite clear
that it's all just a little bit of history repeating
The newspapers shout a new style is growing,
but it don't know if it's coming or going,
there is fashion, there is fad
some is good, some is bad
and the joke is rather sad,
that its all just a little bit of history repeating
.. and I've seen it before
.. and I'll see it again
.. yes I've seen it before
.. just little bits of history repeating
Some people don't dance, if they don't know who's singing,
why ask your head, it's your hips that are swinging
life's for us to enjoy
woman, man, girl and boy,
feel the pain, feel the joy
aside set the little bits of history repeating
.. just little bits of history repeating
.. and I've seen it before
.. and I'll see it again
.. yes I've seen it before
.. just little bits of history repeating
Cheers,
Ruben
(*) Your turn to google ?
Upon your thread I went to look at this camera for the first time, and everything looks so good. There is only one piece I don't identify in the advertizement I saw: a viewfinder.
I guess this hitch excludes me from the "boys and girls" cathegory and makes me a dyno. So there is nothing left to me but seat at the street with other homeless dynos and sing the song of Shirley Bassey*, "History repeating":
The word is about, there's something evolving,
whatever may come, the world keeps revolving
They say the next big thing is here,
that the revolution's near,
but to me it seems quite clear
that it's all just a little bit of history repeating
The newspapers shout a new style is growing,
but it don't know if it's coming or going,
there is fashion, there is fad
some is good, some is bad
and the joke is rather sad,
that its all just a little bit of history repeating
.. and I've seen it before
.. and I'll see it again
.. yes I've seen it before
.. just little bits of history repeating
Some people don't dance, if they don't know who's singing,
why ask your head, it's your hips that are swinging
life's for us to enjoy
woman, man, girl and boy,
feel the pain, feel the joy
aside set the little bits of history repeating
.. just little bits of history repeating
.. and I've seen it before
.. and I'll see it again
.. yes I've seen it before
.. just little bits of history repeating
Cheers,
Ruben
(*) Your turn to google ?
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benlees
Well-known
Hmmm, I thought you were talking about winter...
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
I don't know that it matters if your a$$ is in a darkroom or in front of a computer, does it?
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
Ruben,
I agree... no viewfinder is a BIG problem for me too, which I mentioned in the original post. I agree with you. I definitely would want a great viewfinder in whatever interchangeable digital camera I buy someday in the future, when digital files are better than film.
I agree... no viewfinder is a BIG problem for me too, which I mentioned in the original post. I agree with you. I definitely would want a great viewfinder in whatever interchangeable digital camera I buy someday in the future, when digital files are better than film.
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
Hi there Peter!
No deep breaths needed... I'm perfectly happy with my film cameras at the moment. I was just saying that the recent leaps forward being made in the digital camera world are impressive and that I can "feel" the day coming when I'll be able to sell all my film equipment and be better off with better equipment, at least for my purposes. I don't think that day is here yet... but I definitely feel it coming!
No deep breaths needed... I'm perfectly happy with my film cameras at the moment. I was just saying that the recent leaps forward being made in the digital camera world are impressive and that I can "feel" the day coming when I'll be able to sell all my film equipment and be better off with better equipment, at least for my purposes. I don't think that day is here yet... but I definitely feel it coming!
R
ruben
Guest
Ruben,
I agree... no viewfinder is a BIG problem for me too, which I mentioned in the original post. I agree with you. I definitely would want a great viewfinder in whatever interchangeable digital camera I buy someday in the future, when digital files are better than film.
But Jamie, believe me, much more important than the missing viewfinder on the Panasonic, may be to search a bit about Shirley Bassey, a Black Brittish singer who sky rocketed by singing the opening songs of several films of James Bond, when 007 was Sean Connery.
A golden voice.
Cheers.
Ruben
Fred Burton
Well-known
I think the danger to film now is a worldwide recession. Fuji and Kodak have bottom lines. Will they ditch film or digital first?
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
, but nope... not winter. I'm feeling a sort of warm glow of convenience comin' my way. Just over the horizon I'm feelin' that there's a great new camera on the way and it'll take all my M-mount lenses, have a dynamic range better than film, great ISO range, blah, blah, blah.
Jamie Pillers
Skeptic
Fred,
You're probably right. But I'm not suggesting that the new digital cameras I'm feeling are coming will end film. There are too many film bodies out there that will live on for another 50 years and so some film maker is going to continue to service that market.
You're probably right. But I'm not suggesting that the new digital cameras I'm feeling are coming will end film. There are too many film bodies out there that will live on for another 50 years and so some film maker is going to continue to service that market.