Contemplating a big gear shift... Would like your input.

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Hello hello.

I basically only do macro and landscape work with some wildlife (e.g. bird) photography thrown in for good measure. Feel free to check out my website, www.renderedinsilver.com , to see my work in case it helps you with your responses.

Right now I'm pretty well set for macro work. I love my om-d and the 60mm olympus macro lens. I sometimes still use my old takumar macro lenses too. 🙂 Micro four thirds gives me good reach for macro along with fairly good depth of field (more than full frame or aspc anyway).

Also, I feel comfortable using the om-d for telephoto / wildlife work. I'm not going to buy a gigantic fast telephoto for a dslr because I am not comfortable spending that kind of money on an area which is a not a primary area in my body of work. Micro four thirds gives me the panasonic 100-300 which is relatively inexpensive and delivers fairly good quality photos.

So, that brings me to landscape. I've been using my om-d with the 12mm lens and also my rx100 for landscape work. On the whole, I've found that I prefer the rx100. I am not a big wide angle person apparently. I find that I prefer that my landscapes are taken with a 35 - 90mm lens / perspective on the whole. And, I like the zoom. There have regularly been times in which it is not possible for me to 'zoom with my feet' because either (1) it would take too long to cover the distance to get to where I would like to be or (2) taking those extra steps would be dangerous, e.g. walking off a cliff. Cropping to get the composition I want is not always a great option. I would prefer to minimize cropping as much as possible. Also, telephoto compression can be quite nice for landscapes. As nice as the rx100 is, I would like to step up in image quality a bit if possible (sensor is damned good though). I would also like to do long exposures, which just is not an option with the rx100.

So, now I have a bunch of gear, accumulated over the past decade, that just isn't really getting much use and which I am generally somewhat reluctant to use. To be blunt -- most of it is film equipment and I'm tired of scanning negatives. Digital convenience is getting to me these days. I don't particularly have the time or the inclination to scan. I do love my film cameras and the results I get from film, but I find that I just go digital nine times out of ten these days.

I think I have a few options at my disposal...

(1) Just be content with the rx100 for landscape. Obviously the cheapest, easiest option. The camera has held up well in the rain and delivers quite good results. The sensor is pretty awesome. I would like to get more dynamic range and generally step up IQ a bit though. Also, no long exposure possibilities with the rx100.

(2) Get zooms for the om-d. The zooms in the moderate wide angle to telephoto range just don't seem as good as the slr options. Quality is okay, but nothing great. Wider zooms just seem somewhat lackluster too. Primes are great though.

(3) Get a fuji x-e1 kit. The kit zoom with it seems quite good and by all accounts the telephoto zoom should be good as well. They may not be up to the top of the line nikon or canon zooms, but they should be solid contenders. The sale that is ongoing now makes the pricing rather attractive.

(4) Get a full frame dslr for maximum quality. I should note that I print no larger than 13x19. A d800e would be the top quality choice, but a d600 gives a full frame sensor for 1k less (but possibly with dust / oil issues? hope Nikon remedied that). The 24-120mm f4 and 70-200mm f4 seem very good. Nikon has a sale going on that moment. So, while this is clearly the most expensive option, it is at least somewhat less expensive than what it might otherwise be. This seems to be the most flexible, highest quality, heaviest, and most expensive option.

(5) Oddball option is get a leica m 240. The wait time involved, having a camera body alone that costs $7k, and unknown long exposure capabilities give me pause though. Would be able to use some zooms of x y z brand on it though via adapters. EVF technology seems fairly old and I don't really like hotshoe evfs. I could keep using my 50 summicron and 28/2.8 elmarit asph on it though...

To pay for the above, I'd have to part with a good chunk of gear. Note for the moderators -- not putting up anything for sale here and I will summarily ignore any messages about purchasing so as not to run afoul of any forum policies. I am always happy to pay my classified fees and sell my gear here at rff and will do so if and when the time comes.

I don't really use my hasselblad kit at all. I generally just prefer my rolleiflex -- it is simple, not as cumbersome, and I can focus it more reliably (just works better with my rubbish eyesight, thank you maxwell screen). Selling the camera plus accessories along with the 50 / 80 / 150mm lenses would cover $2700 or so. I havent bothered to carefully price anything out.

Could also part with my olympus 12mm for ~$600.

I could let go of my leica r8 for another $500, keeping my leicaflex sl2 and 50/90 summicrons.

I won't sell my rolleiflex or my m3 with 50 summicron, ever. If I let go of my black paint .58 mp, I could get another $3500+, but that would be a difficult sale. And, I would have to get a m2 or something to replace it with (unless I got the m 240) because I'd have a 35mm and 28mm lens that I would not really be able to use on my m3 without accessory finders -- and I'm not going to do that.

So, the funds for the above options are available. Just really not sure what way to go.

Leaving for glacier park in montana in a two weeks. Should I stick with existing, trusted equipment or bring along new stuff as well as the om-d / rx100?

Just trying to work through my thought process here and would appreciate your opinions and input.

Thanks in advance.
 
"I basically only do macro and landscape work with some wildlife (e.g. bird) photography thrown in for good measure. "

Your statemenmt above says it all. For maximum effectiveness and efficiency, I would think that your desired state would be to have DSLR gear. Period.

Fine to keep the other gear, e.g., Rollei, M3+50 Summicron or other things, but sounds like "what you do" requires DSLR gear.

So I would say pick a system - Nikon, Canon, whatever, and work your way from your current state toward funding the gear you need for your desired state.
 
You could pick up a DMR for your R8. Sell what you want, and keep the rest. You've already got the body and glass.

On the other hand, you could basically consolidate into M with the M240. The M240 would give you what you need for zooms, macro and long lenses with the benefit of using all of your M and R mount lenses as well, and would position itself nicely with your MP and M3.

I don't do wildlife or birds, but I recently sold all my DSLR gear and am down to three bodies total (M4-P, M8 & M9P) and eight M-mount lenses 28mm to 135mm. It's nice to be able to select a body and the lenses I want for what I'm going to do and not have to make a bunch of decisions about, and not have a room filled with gear any more. I have a Visoflex III for the macro end. It worked well for me.
 
Just go with a full frame DSLR, one like the D600. It sounds like you want to use high-quality pro glass, which really works the best on a full frame DSLR. I just sold my D600 but its resolution and range of lenses available would suit you well. You can get one for $1500 refurbished. I honestly could not fault that camera, apart from its bulk and inability to load film 😀
 
(sensor is damned good though).

Agreed... for its size, it's very impressive!

I would also like to do long exposures, which just is not an option with the rx100.
I'm slightly puzzled by your meaning, here. Do you mean that you consider it not to be an option because you won't be happy with its output? Or do you mean that it simply won't do long exposures?

If the latter, then were you aware that the RX100 does have a "Bulb" mode? (in addition to its 30-second shutter setting). It's in the User Guide on pages 38-39. Just thought that I ought to mention it, in case you hadn't spotted it... I have to admit that I didn't notice it until several weeks after getting mine!😱😀
 
This is just a thought. I use my full frame dSLR with legacy lenses (I prefer Tamron AD2 lenses, myself) and I use it in place of a scanner for all my film cameras. It's roughly ten times faster and the quality seems just as good.

For 35mm I use an Ohnar zoom copier that cost me all of £15 in mint condition and for larger negatives or slides, I use my Tamron 90mm Macro. I did invest in a decent copy stand and i put the film on a light table.

That way, you can go on using your film kit and have a digital system as well.

Of course, this works well for me but you may well hate the idea.

😀
 
Get a D3x, a good telephoto (300mm+) and a good macro (105 or 200mm.) Add the wide of your choice and you're golden.

If you like manual focus, you can fully customize that camera with a magnifier, screens and user settings. Once it's done, it's like shooting an F4e with a J screen using AIS lenses with full matrix metering. I've got my D3 set up this way and absolutely love it.

Phil Forrest
 
Just a wild suggestion from left field. There is a thread currently running about the Sigma SD1 Merrill DSLR ... it's weatherproof, has an IQ to die for and fits the parameters of your shooting style IMO.
 
Personally, i dont like to be in a rush getting familar w/ new equipment before a trip. Unless u can pick up the new gear locally, better to stick w/ what u know since your trip is about two weeks away or u don't mind paying for faster delivery...

In terms of other digital gear to consider.. The Fuji and Nikon have already been mentioned and I would have to agree they are great cameras.

If u don't need high iso or fast af.. I would throw out the sigma dp Merrill series and the sd1 Merrill as possible candidates. Below is the blog of someone which has the Nikon and Merrill cameras that he uses for his fine art work.

http://madshutter.blogspot.com/2013/06/answering-foveons-call-first-look-at.html

The specific link is to his recent purchase of a sd1m plus assorted lens... He has other blog entries for the dp Merrill's and Nikon work.

If u are ok w/ high iso at 400 for color and around 3200 for b&w, this maybe something to consider. His writeup does a good review of the issues w/ theses cameras.. Provides a pretty good balanced review.

Otherwise Nikon dslr or the Fuji maybe the better way to go. The omd is really very good as well. For a m43 sensor, I personally believe that is is not too far behind the apsc sensor.. Dynamic range and high iso, the full frame dslrs cannot be beat..

The ff dslrs are going to be the best for fast af. The Fuji is slower than your omd in terms of af speed.

Good luck w/ your decision
Gary

Ps sd1m has bulb mode max of 30 seconds but has a extended bulb option which will allow max of 2 minutes.
 
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Personally, i dont like to be in a rush getting familar w/ new equipment before a trip. Unless u can pick up the new gear locally, better to stick w/ what u know since your trip is about two weeks away or u don't mind paying for faster delivery...

Agreed. I should have stated that my recommendation for your target date to achieve you DSLR desired state was not necessarily prior to a big trip.
 
I vote for option 2. You have the system. Try it out. See if it works. Zooms at f/8+...what's to worry? It's landscape. And you can do tele landscape as well.

All the versatility cost-effectively.

I like the ladybug photo.
 
"I basically only do macro and landscape work with some wildlife (e.g. bird) photography thrown in for good measure. "

Your statemenmt above says it all. For maximum effectiveness and efficiency, I would think that your desired state would be to have DSLR gear. Period.

Fine to keep the other gear, e.g., Rollei, M3+50 Summicron or other things, but sounds like "what you do" requires DSLR gear.

So I would say pick a system - Nikon, Canon, whatever, and work your way from your current state toward funding the gear you need for your desired state.

You are probably right. 🙂

I wouldn't mind picking up a d600 right now, but the oil / dust issues on the sensor are keeping me from making the purchase.
 
You could pick up a DMR for your R8. Sell what you want, and keep the rest. You've already got the body and glass.

On the other hand, you could basically consolidate into M with the M240. The M240 would give you what you need for zooms, macro and long lenses with the benefit of using all of your M and R mount lenses as well, and would position itself nicely with your MP and M3.

I don't do wildlife or birds, but I recently sold all my DSLR gear and am down to three bodies total (M4-P, M8 & M9P) and eight M-mount lenses 28mm to 135mm. It's nice to be able to select a body and the lenses I want for what I'm going to do and not have to make a bunch of decisions about, and not have a room filled with gear any more. I have a Visoflex III for the macro end. It worked well for me.

Oof. DMR is out of the question. An interesting (and still very expensive) option, but not one I can entertain. The tech is too old and leica's killing of the R line makes me more than reluctant to go that route. The M 240 makes more sense I think.
 
Just go with a full frame DSLR, one like the D600. It sounds like you want to use high-quality pro glass, which really works the best on a full frame DSLR. I just sold my D600 but its resolution and range of lenses available would suit you well. You can get one for $1500 refurbished. I honestly could not fault that camera, apart from its bulk and inability to load film 😀

Did you have any issues with dust / oil on the sensor? That appears to be a rather common complaint about the camera.
 
Agreed... for its size, it's very impressive!


I'm slightly puzzled by your meaning, here. Do you mean that you consider it not to be an option because you won't be happy with its output? Or do you mean that it simply won't do long exposures?

If the latter, then were you aware that the RX100 does have a "Bulb" mode? (in addition to its 30-second shutter setting). It's in the User Guide on pages 38-39. Just thought that I ought to mention it, in case you hadn't spotted it... I have to admit that I didn't notice it until several weeks after getting mine!😱😀

Sorry for the confusion. What I meant was that I cannot just pop a 10 stop nd filter on the rx100. I can do long exposures, but the options are somewhat limited due to the inability to put nd filters on it. I could probably rig something up, but it would not be an elegant solution. Corners are rather soft on rx100 too, oh well.
 
Get a D3x, a good telephoto (300mm+) and a good macro (105 or 200mm.) Add the wide of your choice and you're golden.

If you like manual focus, you can fully customize that camera with a magnifier, screens and user settings. Once it's done, it's like shooting an F4e with a J screen using AIS lenses with full matrix metering. I've got my D3 set up this way and absolutely love it.

Phil Forrest

Sounds like a pretty sweet setup. Looks like d800e cannot have its focusing screen readily swapped out. Hmm.

Thanks Phil.
 
Personally, i dont like to be in a rush getting familar w/ new equipment before a trip. Unless u can pick up the new gear locally, better to stick w/ what u know since your trip is about two weeks away or u don't mind paying for faster delivery...

In terms of other digital gear to consider.. The Fuji and Nikon have already been mentioned and I would have to agree they are great cameras.

If u don't need high iso or fast af.. I would throw out the sigma dp Merrill series and the sd1 Merrill as possible candidates. Below is the blog of someone which has the Nikon and Merrill cameras that he uses for his fine art work.

http://madshutter.blogspot.com/2013/06/answering-foveons-call-first-look-at.html

The specific link is to his recent purchase of a sd1m plus assorted lens... He has other blog entries for the dp Merrill's and Nikon work.

If u are ok w/ high iso at 400 for color and around 3200 for b&w, this maybe something to consider. His writeup does a good review of the issues w/ theses cameras.. Provides a pretty good balanced review.

Otherwise Nikon dslr or the Fuji maybe the better way to go. The omd is really very good as well. For a m43 sensor, I personally believe that is is not too far behind the apsc sensor.. Dynamic range and high iso, the full frame dslrs cannot be beat..

The ff dslrs are going to be the best for fast af. The Fuji is slower than your omd in terms of af speed.

Good luck w/ your decision
Gary

Ps sd1m has bulb mode max of 30 seconds but has a extended bulb option which will allow max of 2 minutes.

Amazon prime would give me two night delivery for free or overnight for $3.99 per item. I love amazon prime. 😛

Will look into the sigma offerings as soon as I get home. Not at all familiar with them.

Thanks for the input Gary.

If nikon has sorted the d600 quality control issues, then my decision may be made (subject to the sigma research etc). Doesn't appear to be the case though. At least, I cant find anything out from google searches about whether the problem still exists with oil / dust on the sensor. Could just pay a bunch more money and get a d800e I guess.

Could go for canon offerings, but I just dont like the big white zooms... probably a silly notion on my part.
 
For me, I'd get a full frame or Sigma DSLR if you're set on getting rid of the 'blad. Otherwise, I think Hasselblads make for superb landscape cameras. I think the whole kaboodle comes into it's own on a tripod, but agree that I prefer Rolleiflex for handheld.
 
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