CV 35/1.4 character in a medium format lens?

[meandihagee]

hello,

i'm thinking i should shoot a photo project with both a 35mm and a medium format camera. as it requires some fast shooting, i could get this done with the r2a+35/1.4 and for the moments nobody seems to by bothered by a "big gun", i will use the medium format.

i'm set on the mamiya 7 for some time now, but as i realize i would use two systems together, i guess the modern look won't really fit the CV's classic character.

probably the Bessa III/Gf670 would be right there, but i need something wider, probably a 65mm.

to my eyes, the Carl Zeiss Jena, the ones that fit the Pentacon Six and its copies, seems to have a rather similar classic look.

what do you think?

 

[rxmd]

i'm thinking i should shoot a photo project with both a 35mm and a medium format camera. as it requires some fast shooting, i could get this done with the r2a+35/1.4 and for the moments nobody seems to by bothered by a "big gun", i will use the medium format.

i'm set on the mamiya 7 for some time now, but as i realize i would use two systems together, i guess the modern look won't really fit the CV's classic character.

probably the Bessa III/Gf670 would be right there, but i need something wider, probably a 65mm.

to my eyes, the Carl Zeiss Jena, the ones that fit the Pentacon Six and its copies, seems to have a rather similar classic look.

The CV 35/f1.4 is not exactly my idea of what I would associate with "classic look".

Maybe you can post a few pictures that illustrate what kind of look you're after.

Carl Zeiss Jena lenses are nice but they limit you to either the Pentacon Six camera, or a Kiev 60, or a modified Kiev 88; also in 65mm there is only a very old Flektogon though that was a bit of a dog even back then. I'm not sure whether it's really worth it. In medium format, the choice is first and foremost the camera system. Maybe you can formulate your ideas a bit more clearly.

 

[Chriscrawfordphoto]

Get a Hasselblad with the 60mm lens. You'll want the older silver bodied C-Distagon, not the later Black bodied T* C-Distagon or the even newer CF-Distagon.

 

[meandihagee]

its not me who calls the cv line "classic", it's cosina...

i want to buy a mf system with this in mind - a similarity with cv's so called "classic" line.

Hasselblad, P 6, Mamiya 6/7 hmm

 

[andredossantos]

Get a Hasselblad with the 60mm lens. You'll want the older silver bodied C-Distagon, not the later Black bodied T* C-Distagon or the even newer CF-Distagon.

+1

I was about to suggest the exact same set-up. I used to pair the CV Nokton with above and the results worked very well together.

 

[meandihagee]

is that the f/5.6...?

 

[Chriscrawfordphoto]

The Hasselblad 60mm is an f3.5 lens in all its versions.

 

[Renzsu]

Buying into a medium format system to match an average performing 35mm lens doesn't make sense to me at all... If you feel like you can afford a Hasselblad, why not match it up with a Zeiss 35mm lens?

 

[Krosya]

Buying into a medium format system to match an average performing 35mm lens doesn't make sense to me at all... If you feel like you can afford a Hasselblad, why not match it up with a Zeiss 35mm lens?

My thoughts EXACTLY!

 

[ruby.monkey]

Carl Zeiss Jena lenses are nice but they limit you to either the Pentacon Six camera, or a Kiev 60, or a modified Kiev 88; also in 65mm there is only a very old Flektogon though that was a bit of a dog even back then. I'm not sure whether it's really worth it. In medium format, the choice is first and foremost the camera system. Maybe you can formulate your ideas a bit more clearly.

Depends on one's tolerance for minor hassles. Most 645 systems have a Pentacon-6 adapter available which would allow the use of CZJ lenses.

 

[rxmd]

Depends on one's tolerance for minor hassles. Most 645 systems have a Pentacon-6 adapter available which would allow the use of CZJ lenses.

In that case, to get roughly the same angle of view length you'd have to use the Flektogon 50/f4 (not a bad lens at all, mind you, available multicoated and much better than the Flektogon 65!), and you'd be limited to stopdown operation and metering.

It would probably be more of a budget choice than the Hasselblad-plus-Distagon-60 option.

 

[bigeye]

He's asking to replicate one of the cosina "SC" lenses - they have a couple of single coated for an old lens look.

Chris' suggestion of a single coated "C" non-T* 60mm (or 40?) is good, but I'm not sure they draw like a '50s 35mm. Their results are pretty modern looking to me.

The old Isolette/Speedex renders like its 35mm contemporaries, but it's only in a 'normal' focal length. Can't think of a WA folder, though.

 

[meandihagee]

thanks everybody for the replies.

i guess it's silly to buy a whole system just because it looks somewhat like a 35mm, whichever that may be. but i do need to buy a medium format system and it would be great to use it together with what i have.

however buying another 35mm lens to somehow unify the holy grail of formats seems even more exaggerated and unaffordable at the moment.

maybe it was not a good idea in the first place...

 

[ferider]

Just in terms of basic match (FOV and DOF), you would need a 60/2.8 lens on 6x6. So a Mamiya is not a bad choice, with 55/2.8 on 645.

I were you I would match basic characteristics first, and then worry about bokeh, flare, etc. The Nokton 35/1.4 is a pretty modern lens, even the SC version. The only difference between SC and MC is a little veiling flare when the SC is shot in strong "contre jour" situations.

Roland.

 

[meandihagee]

Just in terms of basic match (FOV and DOF), you would need a 60/2.8 lens on 6x6. So a Mamiya is not a bad choice, with 55/2.8 on 645.

I were you I would match basic characteristics first, and then worry about bokeh, flare, etc. The Nokton 35/1.4 is a pretty modern lens, even the SC version. The only difference between SC and MC is a little veiling flare when the SC is shot in strong "contre jour" situations.

Roland.

i prefer 6x7 or 6x6. ideally 6x7, so maybe 65mm + mamiya 7 is still the one i should be after...

the wide lenses on the P Six are like huge trumpets and i would need to get a light meter to work with. i would prefer something that can be used more quickly.

the hasselblad system looks good but it's still pretty heavy and slow to operate. i would still need a meter for it, too