Juan Valdenebro
Truth is beauty
Scanning negatives is often the fastest and easiest way to not see a real lens' rendition:
During this last week I ran new tests on Tri-X 400 and Rodinal, after several impressive posts here and there talking about the ability of that “new” film to be pushed to 12000 or 25000 ISO (!) with stand developing...
I developed lots of strips of the same bracketed shot in daylight (shadow) and tungsten, from 30 minutes to 4 hours, with stand and semi-stand agitation of 5, 15, 30 or 60 minutes. I printed results (enlarger) and no surprise at all: for natural available light the limit is below 1600 and for tungsten below 3200, handheld metering... And that, losing everything in the shadows...
Gross underexposures showed a certain image on negatives, and any scanner and photoshop can get some info there and make “another” image... I did contact some of the photographers posting those ISOs, and those who answered me, told me they scanned and did not enlarge...
Now:
A few weeks ago testing my 90 Summicron for focus and bokeh, I scanned results and printed them from files... After hours -only- of looking at them, I realized they weren't giving me the information I was looking for: with the slightest touch of contrast (up) the white areas surrounding delicate blur zones, “eat” the beginning of blurred contours, and the image becomes another one.
Scanning is another world: it doesn't give us the optic world we got in our negatives, and it's far from showing us our lenses' worlds...
Regards,
Juan
During this last week I ran new tests on Tri-X 400 and Rodinal, after several impressive posts here and there talking about the ability of that “new” film to be pushed to 12000 or 25000 ISO (!) with stand developing...
I developed lots of strips of the same bracketed shot in daylight (shadow) and tungsten, from 30 minutes to 4 hours, with stand and semi-stand agitation of 5, 15, 30 or 60 minutes. I printed results (enlarger) and no surprise at all: for natural available light the limit is below 1600 and for tungsten below 3200, handheld metering... And that, losing everything in the shadows...
Gross underexposures showed a certain image on negatives, and any scanner and photoshop can get some info there and make “another” image... I did contact some of the photographers posting those ISOs, and those who answered me, told me they scanned and did not enlarge...
Now:
A few weeks ago testing my 90 Summicron for focus and bokeh, I scanned results and printed them from files... After hours -only- of looking at them, I realized they weren't giving me the information I was looking for: with the slightest touch of contrast (up) the white areas surrounding delicate blur zones, “eat” the beginning of blurred contours, and the image becomes another one.
Scanning is another world: it doesn't give us the optic world we got in our negatives, and it's far from showing us our lenses' worlds...
Regards,
Juan
Uwe_Nds
Chief Assistant Driver
Amazing how you manage to highjack threads to promote your idea of photography... :angel:
You should try digital then... :angel:
Oh, back to topic:
I love both my Nokton and the J-3 - no experience with the Sonnar, though.
helen.HH
To Light & Love ...
I did have the C sonnar for a Brief period when I had the M8...
Focus shift for me was a problem and I gave it up & the M8
I do net regret selling my M8 / FILM Rules...
but wish I had kept the Sonnar... it is so Lush & Beautiful Blks
At present I have the Nokton 1.5 ...it renders soooo Differently
to my retro Leica lenses
The Nokton a more 'Cinematic' Modern Quality which is Quite LOVELY
Blks Pop and the DOF does have a soft feel & a creaminess
They are both GREAT lenses....50's are my FAVORITE length
You can't have enough Fifties
Best - H
Focus shift for me was a problem and I gave it up & the M8
I do net regret selling my M8 / FILM Rules...
but wish I had kept the Sonnar... it is so Lush & Beautiful Blks
At present I have the Nokton 1.5 ...it renders soooo Differently
to my retro Leica lenses
The Nokton a more 'Cinematic' Modern Quality which is Quite LOVELY
Blks Pop and the DOF does have a soft feel & a creaminess
They are both GREAT lenses....50's are my FAVORITE length
You can't have enough Fifties
Best - H
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helen.HH
To Light & Love ...
nokton ....
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helen.HH
To Light & Love ...
nokton 1.5 @ f5.6 or 8
Nicolás Raddatz
Excéntrico a sueldo
I find Nokton 1.5 quite interesting. It's bokeh can be quite creamy given the correct lighting situation. I'm liking mine so far very much. And yes, it clearly renders a "modern" looking image.
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brainwood
Registered Film User
Another vote for the Nokton. I admit I have not tried a Ziess Sonnar but I do have an old ClA'd Jupiter 3 which has similar ,though lower quality, heritage.
I have only just got hold of my Nokton lens but I found it a delight to use despite its large size. Here's some shots taken last weekend in the dark. I like the sharper look compared to my old J3 and the bokeh looks very pleasing.
Cheers
Chris
I have only just got hold of my Nokton lens but I found it a delight to use despite its large size. Here's some shots taken last weekend in the dark. I like the sharper look compared to my old J3 and the bokeh looks very pleasing.
Cheers
Chris
philhirn
Medic
the nokton certainly seems nice, but the sonnar can sometimes do magic..
but focus shift is real and my lens is currently at zeiss to correct focusing at 1.5
but focus shift is real and my lens is currently at zeiss to correct focusing at 1.5
cmogi10
Bodhisattva
Love my sonnar.
Jay Decker
Meat Robot
Purchased a Zeiss Ikon with a Sonnar 50/1.5 several months ago. Been using the Zeiss Ikon with an other lens and haven't shot the Sonnar until now... the photos below are the first photos with the Sonnar. As I pulled the wet film out of the reel, I thought I heard an Eddie Money song... I think I'm in Love.
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user237428934
User deletion pending
Perhaps it's a silly question but as far as I know the Nokton does not have the M-Mount. So you need an adapter. What about focussing? Is focussing with the adapter possible? Must be because otherwise there couldn't be so many perfect photos here.
Just asking this question because I have an old CV 25mm and with the M-adapter there is no focussing possible.
Just asking this question because I have an old CV 25mm and with the M-adapter there is no focussing possible.
SebC
Established
Tom,
The nokton rangefinder couples perfectly with the M adapter (I have one). But I'd rather have a Sonnar...
The nokton rangefinder couples perfectly with the M adapter (I have one). But I'd rather have a Sonnar...
helen.HH
To Light & Love ...
the nokton is no slouch
SimonSawSunlight
Simon Fabel
the last two you posted are killer shots, helen.
right on!
right on!
bidnez
Established
Those boots ...
Those boots ...
Helen!
I always seem to like your photos a lot, but this last one is very special!
My Nokton just came back from a fix (loose lens element) and CLA at Will van Manens. So; now the grand lady can look forward to somethin recognizable!
le
Those boots ...
Helen!
I always seem to like your photos a lot, but this last one is very special!
My Nokton just came back from a fix (loose lens element) and CLA at Will van Manens. So; now the grand lady can look forward to somethin recognizable!
le
Krosya
Konicaze
nokton 50/1.5:
leica M2 fan
Veteran
Been checking this thread for sometime, there are some great shots here and great ideas and feedback.
helen.HH
To Light & Love ...
Helen!
I always seem to like your photos a lot, but this last one is very special!
My Nokton just came back from a fix (loose lens element) and CLA at Will van Manens. So; now the grand lady can look forward to somethin recognizable!
Cooool....Thank You
can't Wait to see what Your Nokton's up to....
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bidnez
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Cooool....Thank You
can't Wait to see what Your Nokton's up to....
Actually I was thinking of a certain chrome M4 (of the female persuasion) who´s bound to recognize a 50 Nokton by the looks of it, if I´ve got this right.
Great image again, btw
le
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naql
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I've been planning on getting the Nokton for a while but was wondering if anyone has any focus problems with the EBL of the Bessa R3 at 1.5? I can use it with my M2 but I love having TTL when shooting inside.