Debunking the decisive moment

I've heard the term used many times over several decades and I never understood it to have anything to do with exposing just a single frame.

Honestly, when I read the title of this thread, I thought the "myth" was going to have something to do with the photograph revealing or capturing the ONE true meaning or essence of the scene. In reality, a slightly different 2nd picture might reveal something quite different and be just as good as the first.

Gary
 
Most good street and documentary photographers work a scene. Sometimes a bit, sometimes intensively. The contact sheets not only of Magnum photographers (that book is instructive, as a couple here have suggested), but of Robert Frank, Alfred Eisenstadt, Garry Winogrand, and many many others show this definitively.

That doesn't mean the one or a few images from the contact that they select to share with us are any less decisive.

Anyone want to buy a Rapidwinder? ;-)
 
HCB shot quite a bit, he did say so to that effect himself. If there's any lesson in the contact sheet offered as an example in the blog, that's the potential for multiple decisive moments in a particular setting. Notice, for instance, HCB marked two frames for printing. Both pictures are well-known in his oeuvre. Anyway, his familiar formulation of the 'decisive moment' doesn't mandate a single shot approach. It doesn't exclude it either, but that's beside the point. The question is, if not by HCB, where does this idea that you only have to shoot one frame and get it right comes from? One guess is that sometimes it's stemming from amateur anxiety to prove photographic prowess to others. Αnd, later in the process of one's photographic development, from the need to have to wade through a manageable volume of photos (i.e. the reason Eggleston gave, referenced by Ranchu above). Between the two, only one is on a pragmatic basis. The other is more psychological than anything else.

As for the popularity of the myth, I agree it's quite likely to impress mostly newcomers or those who are not informed. But that is why it's probably a good idea to explain it away regularly, no? Of course, it's annoying to have to do it again and again if you 've already explained it once, so hopefully there will always be someone else around to do it instead. 😛

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What always surprises me with this type of discussions is how introvert they are ... Henri and the rest invented the 'photojournalism' genre in the 1930 driven by world events, pogroms, revolt, treason and war.

They were motivated and moulded by their view of the word ... I'll not mention politics, but that too ... they were working out their techniques during that time. The idea that they gave a hoot about some sort of pictorial dogma is silly in the extreme
 
"I imagined Henri Cartier Bresson waltzing into a street scene, carefully aiming his Leica, and taking only one shot and creating masterpieces."

I'm sometimes approached by photographers - at all levels of experience - despondent about their low number of "keepers", and, all too often, mention the archetype of the photographer who can capture a single iconic image by sleight of hand and eye like some mythic Western gunslinger.

I came across this post. It reminds us we should never take just a single photograph. Instead, we should shoot a roll, fill the memory card - whilst, of course, studying the subject.

There have been occasions when I've been complacent and failed to take enough photographs, thinking I've got the shot - until I see what I've taken. Often, just a few more images with slightly different framing or depth of field or different focus would have meant success instead of failure. You'd think I would've learnt this lesson by now...!

My wife, being the expert on such matters, cannot understand why I would take so many photos of the same thing. What is wrong with my abilities? What a waste of film! 😀
 
There have been great posts here from folks explaining the true meaning Decisive Moment and why it doesn't mean only taking one shot of a scene.

This is a great discussion and an interesting topic. I think there is nothing to "debunk" because in my opinion, the basic premise is wrong, the premise being that one should only take one shot of the "moment". I think most experienced photographers work a subject by taking multiple shots of a particular scene whatever the genre (street, documentary, portrait, landscape, etc.)

There is a big difference between "working" a scene and "spray and pray". As photographers becomes more experienced, they hopefully gravitate more toward the former and away from the latter.

--Warren
 
Who said decisive moment means only taking one shot?

What it means is the moment that most encapsulates the essence of the scene. It may mean multiple attempts at capture. But it does mean developing an intuition on when to press the shutter. Not chimping or machine gunning. Especially relevant in the old days with mechanical rewind and 36 shots per roll, not to mention manual focus and exposure.

This just furthers the ridiculousness of the original quote.

The Decisive Moment is a nice 'line.' But, it is far from accurate. HC-B would spend days, weeks, months in a given situation, 'stalking' a photograph. He had access to people and events through a long stretch of dynamic history, and the images he came back with were not always dynamic nor technically well-executed. [I mean, for example, the guy had access to Marilyn Monroe, but his shot/s of her are beyond pedestrian. Amateurish snaps.] This is excused because of the depth and breadth of a career, but individually... there is a lot of fail.

So, he did not just shoot a single frame, and then print an uncropped masterpiece. His contact sheets show multiple shots. His history shows he spent a lot of time in a given area or on a given subject. A lot of film was shot. The Decisive Moment is more about editing decisions than the actual shooting.

Dismissive cute comments about "chimping" and "machine gunning" are unconstructive and also inaccurate with regard to how great work has been accomplished.

Chimping on a digital display is no different from Polaroid proofing, or Clip Testing, which professionals have been employing since, what, the 60s? That's simply what professionals, who HAD to get a shot, on the spot, to serve a client, had to do. It's easy for dilettantes to dismiss that, thinking they're following HCB's faux dogma... thinking themselves akin to The Great White Hunter.... But, that's not what pros did. If you shot the Superbowl for SI in the 70s, you were using motor drives, and "machine gunning." If you shot Veruschka for Vogue, you were machine gunning with a Hassy and motor or a Nikon F, and you shot a hundred rolls of film in that day. There's no shame in that, because you HAD to get a shot. You've got an Art Director in the room, and a crew of 20, and a budget of a $100k. You get the shot and take as many security measures as possible. Meanwhile, HCB's walking around Provence, without an actual assignment, and leisurely shooting shadows and 'geometry' and that's your model?

In the end, the only thing that matters is The Print. If it took you one frame to get it or 100 rolls, it doesn't matter. Nothing by Avedon or Steven Meisel is diminished because it took 8 hours and a thousand frames — it's the one print that hangs in the gallery or museum.

Kinda sick of the snobbery that accompanies photography. Whether it's a Leica-Canon-Nikon thing, or a rangefinder-SLR thing, or a digital-film thing, or this BS 'one shot' fallacy.... Look at The Print.
 
Kinda sick of the snobbery that accompanies photography. Whether it's a Leica-Canon-Nikon thing, or a rangefinder-SLR thing, or a digital-film thing, or this BS 'one shot' fallacy.... Look at The Print.

I was with you right up to your last sentence. There are millions of photographers whose work is just as good as Avedon, or Bresson or any letter of the alphabet up to and including Zoltan Glass (who at least invented the "Clumpher", a story I must repeat some time).

Why not accept that it's all about whatever you want it to be about. All this "best" stuff is the snobbery.
 
A lot of my sports photography is very decisive. 🙂

I can frequently grab the "decisive moment" with just one shot, but I much prefer to shoot several frames consecutively because I learned that there are frequently several decisive moments and some of the following ones are better than the one I caught first.

...either way it doesn't hurt to take a few extras, whether it is digital or film.
 
Regarding the OP, referencing a post by Eric Kim:

Although Kim does use a provocative title "Debunking the myth of the decisive moment" he does go on to say that one must "work the scene" and look at contact sheets etc.

The way to photograph action, or candidly, or on the street etc. is of course to be prepared, to be observant, and be quick. You might be able to wait for something to happen or more often than not, you might have to jump and get only a couple of shots. Many of the great photographers who shot this way did not have to blow through film. If you are shooting a story, then sometimes you have a little more time to work out what you want to do, but again photographers who have some experience still don't take a huge number of images.

There is a lot of nonsense being written about photography these days, and most of it is quite inaccurate. A couple of terms being thrown around by self-proclaimed experts out there are "street photography" and "decisive moment".

Street photography is too restrictive a label, and doesn’t fully describe the work of good photographers who can shoot anywhere, indoors or out, get compelling images, tell a story, or make a fine portrait. It's just photography, it's either good or it is not.

However, if you are a fashion photographer, specialize in portraits, or landscape, or shoot products in the studio, then you might want to give yourself a specific label.

The title of Cartier-Bresson’s influential book is Images à la sauvette, which roughly means images on the run, or stolen images. He was one of the earliest to exploit the unique benefits of the small 35mm camera. He also had his own philosophy and method of shooting. The English publisher of the book came up with the title The Decisive Moment.

Thanks
Sam
 
I guess if you are running workshops for people who haven't shot much in the streets (which may be the same as 'street photography' or not, I don't really care), then setting up a straw man and proceeding to burn him in front of the students can be a nice showmanship thing to do.
 
It's true, there's a tremendous gap in meaning and concept between "Decisive Moment" and "Images à la sauvette." Nevertheless, the idea of the decisive moment is useful as a way of thinking of what you may sometimes be after in a photograph. In street photography, which is no more than taking pictures of strangers in public places, the decisive moment is often compelling, but so it composition, light, gradation and other factors that determine whether you've ended up shooting something that you like. Note that I wrote "something you like" rather than "something good," because it's for other people to determine whether a photograph is good, or whether it's art — even if it's art you've been seeking.

The picture below, I shot when I was 15 minutes early for a meeting and decided to walk around the block. I had the camera in my hand and just took one shot, without stopping my walk. Although it's not my favorite picture, it's the most "faved" and "commented." Sometimes, a picture will result from only one shot; sometimes from a series of shots. Not really something to be discussed from the rocket science aspect. 😀



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Hi Mitch,

What I meant is that HCB didn't go on about the "decisive moment", after the publication of the book it was everyone else who kept attributing it to him and his work.

As you know, he was interested in geometry in his compositions, among other things, when it came to his photography.

Also, there is a difference between a good photograph and one that everyone likes. We are lucky when it is the same photograph!
 
Eisie's iconic shot at Times Square, V-J day (which, incidentally, I just saw reprinted in color [?!] on the cover of one of those glossy mags for sale in the grocery store) was one of multilple images he made of that "moment."
 
A lot of my sports photography is very decisive. 🙂

I can frequently grab the "decisive moment" with just one shot, but I much prefer to shoot several frames consecutively because I learned that there are frequently several decisive moments and some of the following ones are better than the one I caught first.


...either way it doesn't hurt to take a few extras, whether it is digital or film.
That's the point. You shoot the best picture you can. Then, if a better one comes along later, you shoot that too. As HCB did. I can't see where the "debunking" comes in.

Cheers,

R.
 
I guess if you are running workshops for people who haven't shot much in the streets (which may be the same as 'street photography' or not, I don't really care), then setting up a straw man and proceeding to burn him in front of the students can be a nice showmanship thing to do.
Dear Dan,

Well summarized!

Cheers,

R.
 
Derisive?

Derisive?

Have you seen people who really chimp? They have no confidence in themselves, no confidence in their cameras.

I wouldn't compare them to pros who shoot polaroid test shots.

Notwithstanding this, in street photography, there's no time to chimp. Especially for real scenes (ie not staged scenes), or in conditions of war or protest. Either you got it or you don't. And in the old days, not only did you have to get it framed right, you had to focus and get exposure right as well.

Dismissive cute comments about "chimping" and "machine gunning" are unconstructive and also inaccurate with regard to how great work has been accomplished.

Chimping on a digital display is no different from Polaroid proofing, or Clip Testing, which professionals have been employing since, what, the 60s? That's simply what professionals, who HAD to get a shot, on the spot, to serve a client, had to do. It's easy for dilettantes to dismiss that, thinking they're following HCB's faux dogma... thinking themselves akin to The Great White Hunter.... But, that's not what pros did. If you shot the Superbowl for SI in the 70s, you were using motor drives, and "machine gunning." If you shot Veruschka for Vogue, you were machine gunning with a Hassy and motor or a Nikon F, and you shot a hundred rolls of film in that day. There's no shame in that, because you HAD to get a shot. You've got an Art Director in the room, and a crew of 20, and a budget of a $100k. You get the shot and take as many security measures as possible. Meanwhile, HCB's walking around Provence, without an actual assignment, and leisurely shooting shadows and 'geometry' and that's your model?
 
I'm afraid my favourite part of the entire article came, as usual, from the comments section...

"Stanley Chu • 3 days ago
Very inspiring article. You are truly fantastic!!"

Is the concept of a blog entirely for ones ego?
 
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