GeneW
Veteran
What an excellent focusing tip. I do this with macro but never thought of doing it with a fast lens in dim light. Doh!Hektor said:
Thank you.
Gene
Hektor
Leicapile
You're welcome, - took me years of failure to work that one out !
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
zeos 386sx said:
It will be interesting indeed to see how they solve this problem. Probably a longer base. Having said that, I find that my .72 and 1.25 Okular that are fine for 135 still have some reserves that might acommodate a 180.
HenningW
Well-known
fgianni said:John, if the sensor is the same as in the Digital R the crop factor is actually 1.37, only marginally better than the 1.5 of the RD-1
Stefan Daniel said the sensor is from Kodak, not identical to that of the DMR, and the crop factor is 1.33. The sensor/electronic design direction is apparently similar to that of the DMR, in that there is no anti-alias filter and that that function would be handled in software. A similar 'look' can be anticipated. The electronic components and developments will come from a German manufacturer, mostly due to various problems Leica has had with Imacon re supply and quality control. These are two different aspects; the sensor manufacturer does not have to be the same as the company that develops the packaging, filters, firmware and control components. Nikon for example gets its sensors from Sony, but then does the rest themselves. Leica needs another company to do that for them.
Stefan implied that the rangefinder base would be the same as that of the M's, with viewfinder magnification due to be developed with the crop factor in mind. Super Angulons, early 28 Elmarits and the Hologon would be non-compatible. The 135 Elmarit was not mentioned, but I don't see why it wouldn't work, given the above.
The camera is to have the same form factor as the present M's, only 1.5mm thicker due to the screen. Basic layout (tentative) of controls would have four buttons to the left of the screen and a jog dial and possibly another button or two on the right. I sketched this as Stefan was talking about it, and he saw the sketch later when I was trying to get more info, and indicated that my sketch was on the money - but I got no more info. He said that he had probably already said too much.
Henning
all i can say is that when pre orders are taken, I will drop my amex on the counter.
ticanina
Newbie
Maybe this is just a rumour, but while speaking to the Australian Leica agent this week I casually dropped into the conversation whether while in Germany recently he had seen the new Digital M.
His reply was a definitive "no", but he added that "at least we have a release date and a price". Available as at Photokina 2006 and the price consistent with a new analog M.
Hope it turns out to be true.
His reply was a definitive "no", but he added that "at least we have a release date and a price". Available as at Photokina 2006 and the price consistent with a new analog M.
Hope it turns out to be true.
fgianni
Trainee Amateur
So it is definitely going to be a digital M camera. not a digital Module M
Mackinaw
Think Different
Yes, a new camera, not a back. Check the LUG archives, PNET, etc. for more info.
Jim Bielecki
Jim Bielecki
fgianni
Trainee Amateur
ticanina said:
It depends what do they mean with "consistent" a digital M for about £2000 (same as the RD-1) would indeed be extremely attractive.
peter_n
Veteran
Now that's something to be interested in, forget this digital rubbish!ticanina said:
Sounds like we're talking a new M8 here? Is that right?
peter_n
Veteran
Or (realization hits after the post) the price of the digital body will be the same as a new M7? Say it ain't so!
ticanina
Newbie
Sorry about the confusion.
It was inferred that the new Digital M would be a similar price to a new MP or M7, in this part of the world anyway. Which would mean a price here of about $AUS 4,500 or about US$3,500.
It was inferred that the new Digital M would be a similar price to a new MP or M7, in this part of the world anyway. Which would mean a price here of about $AUS 4,500 or about US$3,500.
mac_wt
Cameras are like bunnies
3500 USD is way more than I'm willing to pay for a single camera, but still the best price I've heard. At least I can imagine getting that much money together. Someday...
Wim
Wim
The dmr is 6k and thats not even a camera. the dmr and r9 are a good 8500+ I would be surprised if the digital m is less than 7k.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Prices of about 5000 Euro are being whispered amongst rumour-mongers.
fgianni
Trainee Amateur
jaapv said:
If that is the case I see myself hanging on my RD-1 for a while
At least it is there and I can use it now
ezio gallino
Member
I feel scared not particurarly by price (undestand me) but by obsolescence.... how many Canon models have kept the market for short time....
It's mandatory an efficient and cheap politic of upgrading: ideally sensor substitution shoul be possible at home with a kit...
It's mandatory an efficient and cheap politic of upgrading: ideally sensor substitution shoul be possible at home with a kit...
N
Nikon Bob
Guest
Whatever the final price is when/if it hits the market it is going to be far too high for me especially if the package obsoletes as quickly as all other digi cameras have so far. If it has the same build quality as the film Ms have you have to ask why would you want a body that will last 50 years or more stuffed with electronis bits that are obsolete/non repairable in 5 years. If the internal electronic parts have the ability to be up graded then that might be a different matter.
Bob
Bob
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
ezio gallino said:
That does not particularly frighten me; after all sensors have reached such a high level that "upgrades" should not result in really dramatic increases in the quality of the end product, like in the audio world.What is perfect now will be very good in the future. Even Canon, that has planned obsolescence down to a fine art, has used the same sensor from the D60 to the 10D that is for about five models in three generations.and even the newest 20D is not much of an upgrade in picture quality, even compared to the venerable D30. The same goes for their professional models.
So if Leica uses a state of the art sensor and there is even talk of an upgradeble system, I would expect to use the camera for many,many years. User upgradeabilty seems to me to be a bit difficult, as the sensor as such will not be enough, there are electronic components to be exchanged as well. But who knows what the Heinzelmännchen in Wetzlar will come up with.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
fgianni said:If that is the case I see myself hanging on my RD-1 for a while
At least it is there and I can use it now
There are vague whisperings of a digital Zeiss Ikon RF at a substantial lower price... Good reason for you to hang on to your great RD1, for now the one and only, and therefore the best DRF....