Digital Rangefinders

jmarcus

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I'm new to photography. I bought a Contax TVS Digital and I'm enjoying the camera, but I'm looking for something faster, but I want to stay digital, but I don't want an SLR. The Epson RD-1 doesn't have auto focus, right? So what will my options be in the future will camera manufacturers make digital rangefinders? Are there any highly anticipated?

Thanks,
James
 
Though I have to say, with a little practice a rangefinder is as fast as autofocus. Using hyperfocus and metering ahead of time (in the case of the rd-1 I assume there is autoexposure, I don't own one and haven't even looked into them in fear I might have to have one) can make things as fast as a point and shoot for day time shooting. Even close up lower light focusing a rangefinder isn't hard or slow. If it's something you're considering, I would suggest a fixed lens film rangefinder to try out before you decide you want to drop the big bucks on something like the epson. Perhaps a canonet, or a yashica electro?

I started with a canonet 28 that I paid less than $15 for shipped, and I pretty must stopped using my digital p&s and film SLR after that.
 
James, from the sound of it, you are looking for a higher quality digital point and shoot, not a rangefinder. The best place to find this information would be at dpreview.com or Steve's Digicams, along with photo.net. The Epson Rd-1 is a digital rangefinder, but it is very expensive still (approx. 3000), and it does not come with a lens. The lenses are all manual focus and there are no zooms. There will probably not be any autofocus digital rangefinders for awhile, because most people who want AF want an SLR or a point and shoot, while most people who want an RF want manual focus (other than the Hexar AF and Contax G series fans...neither of which is likely to have a digital successor). The only other announced digital rangefinder is the Digital Leica M, which will be even more expensive, and will also only be manual focus.

What you are looking for is probably going to be better served by a high end digital point and shoot, or one of the smaller digital SLR's like the Pentax IstD, the new Panasonic DMC-L1, the D70 and Rebel 350D. Digital rangefinders are still in their infancy, and as such they are hard to come by, expensive, and have some design comprimises (low MP compared to SLR of even half the price, large crop factors etc).
 
Following up on Stuart's advice:

With respect to higher end point and shoots you might want to consider the Panasonic LX1 which is the same camera as the Leica Dlux 2 with the added benefit of being almost four hundred dollars cheaper. It has autofocus, manual focus, three formats (3:2, 4:3, and 16:9) and a Leica lens design. It's a little noisy at the higher ISO's, but easily managed with noise ninja or neat image. And if you feel the need for a rangefinder-like feel, one of the mini-finders from Cameraquest is attachable, although not straightforwardly so.
 
Thanks to everyone who replied to my question. I do want to stay digital, and I would be really excited if someone made a digital back for the Contax G2, but my understanding is that is highly unlikely. I will look at the Panasonic and the Leica. I like the idea of film but it seems that it would get really expensive, money which could spent on the camera instead of processing and stock.

thanks,
James
 
Film costs versus digital costs are a whole different issue, and one that varies immensely for any given photographer.

Some people will spend 3000 dollars on a digital camera and then shoot it only at holidays and special occasions. Likewise, some film shooters will buy a Leica for 3000 dollars and do the same thing. Let's say you are an amateur and shoot two rolls a week of Tri-X. At my lab, black and white developing is 5.10, plus 4.45 for a contact sheet. That means 1986 dollars a year in processing fees, plus 385 dollars for the film (if you bought each one individually at B&H). Frankly, that's a lot, but you can bring down the costs a great deal if you process for yourself, buy in bulk, if you shoot less, or if you don't get a contact sheet etc etc. It will depend on the person. I guess my point is that you need to figure out how much you shoot, what type of stuff you like to shoot, figure out the costs, and then factor in your preferences and predjudices. That is the only way to really decide what is right for you.

For me, I KNOW that I could be saving money shooting digital, as I shoot more than two rolls a week, I shoot a lot of slide film, and I shoot Medium and large formats as well. But that said, I like to shoot film, both for its characteristics and for the cameras that use it, so that is what I have chosen....for the most part anyway.
 
I beleive the LC1 is the Panasonic version of the Leica Digilux 2. It's the L1 that a lot of folks assume, (me included), will be the Leica Digilux 3. However, the LC1/Digilux2 is an incredible digiital camera. I've used one for a couple of years now with excellent results.
 
Comparing cost made me buy the R-D1. I was shooting about a roll per day. The roll of iso400 colour neg film was 3 euros, as was developing. 6 times 365 rolls = 2190 euro per year. I paid about 2500 euro for the R-D1 including shipping from HK to Holland and customs duties. I got my R-D1 last June. By the end of this year I'll be saving money on my shooting. Not to mention the time I wasted scanning. 🙂
 
Once again thanks for the responses. Stuart, I love film and really that is what I would like to shoot with, but starting out in the photography digital age, I have learned to take lots of pictures without concern for costs. A heavy weekend of shooting will render 600+ pictures. 5% will be good, a few will be worth posting.
 
wyk_penguin said:
Then you should shoot film. Somehow shooting something that actually costs $$$ makes me think better. I hope it helps you too.

I think this is a very personal thing. Your thinking isn't mine. Winogrand didn't care how much he was shooting, and he shot film. Maybe my thinking is that I want to try more angles, details and setups and shoot accordingly. You, however, might go for the one-shot-one-kill approach. Is either right or wrong? I've always shot quite liberally, even with film. I don't see why my digital shooting should be different, or why someone shouldn't shoot more liberally now that he can afford to do so with digital.

Please, don't read that "you" actually means you, wyk_penguin. I'm reffering to that other "you". 🙂
 
wyk_penguin said:
Then you should shoot film. Somehow shooting something that actually costs $$$ makes me think better. I hope it helps you too.

Digital and film are like two different languages. A few mind privileged among us are multilingual, most are not. We all can do better by respecting each other photographic culture. Only then each one may be getting interest in the other's stuff and true free migration will be possible. Both directions.
Cheers,
Ruben
 
RML said:
I think this is a very personal thing. Your thinking isn't mine. Winogrand didn't care how much he was shooting, and he shot film. Maybe my thinking is that I want to try more angles, details and setups and shoot accordingly. You, however, might go for the one-shot-one-kill approach. Is either right or wrong? I've always shot quite liberally, even with film. I don't see why my digital shooting should be different, or why someone shouldn't shoot more liberally now that he can afford to do so with digital.
Very good point, Remy, as to one's natural inclination to shoot "liberally" or sparingly. I've always been of the latter persuasion, and occasionally worry that if I had just shot more exposures of a particular subject I could have better results. It would certainly result in more shots to choose from, not sure about quality. I'm thinking film, but when rarely using my Canon digital it's the same at just a shot or two and then move on.
 
Well said Ruben. You can pry my Digital SLR (300D) from my cold dead hands. I am so happy now that with the help of the forum I can start to speak the rangefinder language now. I'm adding it to my toolkit, not dumping one for the other.
 
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