dogberryjr
[Pithy phrase]
Since this thread is getting some attention from the X Pro fans, I'd like to ask if anyone has had this experience:
I was shooting an indoor event and had taken a few photos of the preliminaries and they were fine, but when the performance I wanted to photograph came up, suddenly, my X Pro was in multiple exposure mode. I'd never used the multiple exposure feature before, so I was baffled when the prompt "OK----Next-----Use----Back" (or whatever it actually reads) came up. I could not switch drive modes as I suppose that is locked out in M. Exp. mode, but when I finally got through the setup menu, Multiple Exposure was OFF. I powered the camera down a couple of times, and even took the battery out, but it would not come off M. Exp. mode. Eventually—and I'm not sure how, because I was pushing buttons like a madman—it returned to normal. Now I can't recreate the issue and all seems fine, but having lost an entire performance I wanted to photograph, I'm a little spooked. Has anyone experienced this or something like it? Thoughts? (Also, latest firmware is installed, fresh battery , etc . . .)
I was shooting an indoor event and had taken a few photos of the preliminaries and they were fine, but when the performance I wanted to photograph came up, suddenly, my X Pro was in multiple exposure mode. I'd never used the multiple exposure feature before, so I was baffled when the prompt "OK----Next-----Use----Back" (or whatever it actually reads) came up. I could not switch drive modes as I suppose that is locked out in M. Exp. mode, but when I finally got through the setup menu, Multiple Exposure was OFF. I powered the camera down a couple of times, and even took the battery out, but it would not come off M. Exp. mode. Eventually—and I'm not sure how, because I was pushing buttons like a madman—it returned to normal. Now I can't recreate the issue and all seems fine, but having lost an entire performance I wanted to photograph, I'm a little spooked. Has anyone experienced this or something like it? Thoughts? (Also, latest firmware is installed, fresh battery , etc . . .)
Fujifilm seemed very happy with its initial X100 sales.
Spyro
Well-known
yep, exactly the same thing happened to me and no, I still havent figured it out
it must be some auto feature activated by a button being pressed for >2sec or sth silly like that
dogberryjr
[Pithy phrase]
yep, exactly the same thing happened to me and no, I still havent figured it out
it must be some auto feature activated by a button being pressed for >2sec or sth silly like that
Thanks. At least I know I'm not kooked now.
SausalitoDog
Well-known
Sounds to me that many of the disappointed users of xp1s are really not happy with the auto focus.
In most of the cases, the solution they turned to was Leica (great quality manual focus). The complaints of exposure issues don't address whether or not the exposures were consistently one way or the other (which is really all you can ask for) - if the exposures were consistent, they can easily be corrected...if not then either user error or camera defect is the answer.
I can only speak for myself but I am overwhelmingly happy with my Fuji x system purchases. Great sensor, great IQ, great price and most importantly, all of those features come with a new lightweight form factor. Even the largest X (the xp1) is about half the weight of an M9 and the X100s literally fits in my pocket!
When I bought my Xp1 I also bought my first Leica lens, a 28mm elmarit 2.8 beauty of a lens...smooth as silk, tack sharp - it looks like a rolex sitting in my drawer rarely seeing the light of day because it is manual focus. I made a mistake buying it but I don't blame Leica or find fault with it. I just can't see why anyone would want a manual ONLY lens any more - some shots are better made with manual, some don't need it and actually benefit from faster accurate auto focus.
This isn't an apology for Fuji...I'm not saying "what do you expect - it's good for the price." I'm saying it's outstanding for what it is designed to do. All camera systems represent many compromises. I thank Fuji for putting together such a great set of bodies and lenses. They can work great as mobile street cameras and produce outstanding images. And Fuji has already proven that they look out for their users and care about satisfying them in areas where they can make improvements - look what they have done with fantastic updates to the x100 firmware.
I'm sure that some defective cameras and lenses were shipped. I'm shocked that one might have been shipped with a counterfeit battery (maybe the camera was counterfeit too?) and would really be suspicious of the store that sold it to me...
But at the end of the day, we are all going to benefit from what Fuji has really emphasized...even if each model isn't the "right one" for you, you will be getting better products because Fuji has challenged the marketplace to step it up...
Fanboy? Maybe...but it all came about after buying and using the product, not for any other reason.
Cheers,
Tom
In most of the cases, the solution they turned to was Leica (great quality manual focus). The complaints of exposure issues don't address whether or not the exposures were consistently one way or the other (which is really all you can ask for) - if the exposures were consistent, they can easily be corrected...if not then either user error or camera defect is the answer.
I can only speak for myself but I am overwhelmingly happy with my Fuji x system purchases. Great sensor, great IQ, great price and most importantly, all of those features come with a new lightweight form factor. Even the largest X (the xp1) is about half the weight of an M9 and the X100s literally fits in my pocket!
When I bought my Xp1 I also bought my first Leica lens, a 28mm elmarit 2.8 beauty of a lens...smooth as silk, tack sharp - it looks like a rolex sitting in my drawer rarely seeing the light of day because it is manual focus. I made a mistake buying it but I don't blame Leica or find fault with it. I just can't see why anyone would want a manual ONLY lens any more - some shots are better made with manual, some don't need it and actually benefit from faster accurate auto focus.
This isn't an apology for Fuji...I'm not saying "what do you expect - it's good for the price." I'm saying it's outstanding for what it is designed to do. All camera systems represent many compromises. I thank Fuji for putting together such a great set of bodies and lenses. They can work great as mobile street cameras and produce outstanding images. And Fuji has already proven that they look out for their users and care about satisfying them in areas where they can make improvements - look what they have done with fantastic updates to the x100 firmware.
I'm sure that some defective cameras and lenses were shipped. I'm shocked that one might have been shipped with a counterfeit battery (maybe the camera was counterfeit too?) and would really be suspicious of the store that sold it to me...
But at the end of the day, we are all going to benefit from what Fuji has really emphasized...even if each model isn't the "right one" for you, you will be getting better products because Fuji has challenged the marketplace to step it up...
Fanboy? Maybe...but it all came about after buying and using the product, not for any other reason.
Cheers,
Tom
dmc
Bessa Driver
It is interesting that I continue to read about people unhappy with the X-Pro 1 who sold same and purchased a new Leica and were much happier. Even in this thread you will read such or comparisons between the X-Pro 1 and Leica, as if there is no other camera to compare it to.
I am sure that Fujifilm is thrilled to hear that their camera is being replaced by one that is FIVE TIMES THE COST! I bought the X-Pro because I could not afford an M, even used. Guess that doesn't matter to the millionaires on this forum.
Now, my M4, on the other hand . . .
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I am sure that Fujifilm is thrilled to hear that their camera is being replaced by one that is FIVE TIMES THE COST! I bought the X-Pro because I could not afford an M, even used. Guess that doesn't matter to the millionaires on this forum.
Now, my M4, on the other hand . . .
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f16sunshine
Moderator
It's not a tool for everyone. I think Traditional RF folks are disappointed just like they were with the ContaX G system.
It's just a different animal but once a person learns to work with this beast it delivers the goods.
I use the xpro and x100 like the contax G or the Hexar AF. It works but you miss a few. You certainly miss more not getting focussed in time with an RF.
If it's a zone focus situation the M digital system or Fuji xpro are equals (using the Fuji in manual).
Actually I still think the Fuji has smarter frame lines when it comes to Parallax so maybe the Fuji is still ahead in Zone focusing as well (not to mention a built in VF level that is a definite plus).
Anchoring on RF when trying the Fuji is hard to overcome. If a person can get past comparisons and expectations it's a pretty good tool.
The x100 in particular which really is a goods delivering workhorse !
It's just a different animal but once a person learns to work with this beast it delivers the goods.
I use the xpro and x100 like the contax G or the Hexar AF. It works but you miss a few. You certainly miss more not getting focussed in time with an RF.
If it's a zone focus situation the M digital system or Fuji xpro are equals (using the Fuji in manual).
Actually I still think the Fuji has smarter frame lines when it comes to Parallax so maybe the Fuji is still ahead in Zone focusing as well (not to mention a built in VF level that is a definite plus).
Anchoring on RF when trying the Fuji is hard to overcome. If a person can get past comparisons and expectations it's a pretty good tool.
The x100 in particular which really is a goods delivering workhorse !
back alley
IMAGES
to each his own…enjoy what puts a smile on your face.
i love photography…that means the images, the lenses, the cameras…
i have been fortunate in that i have been able to make it all work for me…i started with a small fixed lens rangefinder, went to slr, to intercahngable rf, both 35 & 120…to digital rf and then on to mirrorless…about the only thing i could not handle was a tlr…made me dizzy!
as far as imagemaking…i have done landscapes, family portraits, rock bands and weddings! did night shooting and skiers flying past me…been nose to nose with a pack of hungry deer who nipped at my telephoto, backed away from bears and watched a single deer back kick a dog across a parking lot…
i love it all!
i love photography…that means the images, the lenses, the cameras…
i have been fortunate in that i have been able to make it all work for me…i started with a small fixed lens rangefinder, went to slr, to intercahngable rf, both 35 & 120…to digital rf and then on to mirrorless…about the only thing i could not handle was a tlr…made me dizzy!
as far as imagemaking…i have done landscapes, family portraits, rock bands and weddings! did night shooting and skiers flying past me…been nose to nose with a pack of hungry deer who nipped at my telephoto, backed away from bears and watched a single deer back kick a dog across a parking lot…
i love it all!
Wiyum
Established
There's been a fair amount of talk in this thread about the learning curve of the X cameras with the implication by some that it is particularly steep. I don't buy that argument. One of the reasons I took to the system so quickly is because I found it to be so intuitive. I may be unique in that I shot with a manual-with-automatic-shutter-and-aperture settings SLR from 2000-2005, then with digital slrs from 2005-2013, and I've borrowed a rangefinder long term in there, but all of the layout of my X-E1 made perfect sense to me from day one.
But I don't expect everyone to share my experience. Still, I'd think the system would be a relatively easy adjustment for most people. Easier than going from a Leica to a modern Nikon, or vice versa. Rangefinders may seem intuitive to seasoned users, but the learning curve would be very steep indeed for a user who has only shot with dslrs.
Similarly, I think the idea that Fuji should copy Leica's dRF interface is suspect to me as well. Leica cameras don't have a need for AF settings, which make up a number of the added buttons and controls. Given the options and controls necessary to operate a modern AF camera that supports all of the working methodologies the X series supports, I think things are paired down and layed out about as elegantly as they could be.
At the end of the day, any camera needs to be taken as it's own thing. Having one camera and wishing it behaved like another is an exercise in frustration and certain to result in disappointment at some point. Some will like a camera and others will not, but that's much more to do with personal preference than camera fault in most cases (some cameras really are dogs... Ever use a first generation Sigma DP camera?).
And to the OP... Really sounds like you had a faulty camera. Nonetheless, I think using a handheld meter with a digital camera is an odd call. But if you must, test the sensor performance at a given ISO as you would any film stock. Some stocks I over exposed by a stop. Others I underexposed by 2/3. A sensor is the same way. You can't expect your meter and the sensor's output to line up perfectly to your liking out of the box.
I've really enjoyed reading this thread. Plenty of great thoughts and insights. Hope I didn't come off too grumpy; 'twasn't my intention.
Will
But I don't expect everyone to share my experience. Still, I'd think the system would be a relatively easy adjustment for most people. Easier than going from a Leica to a modern Nikon, or vice versa. Rangefinders may seem intuitive to seasoned users, but the learning curve would be very steep indeed for a user who has only shot with dslrs.
Similarly, I think the idea that Fuji should copy Leica's dRF interface is suspect to me as well. Leica cameras don't have a need for AF settings, which make up a number of the added buttons and controls. Given the options and controls necessary to operate a modern AF camera that supports all of the working methodologies the X series supports, I think things are paired down and layed out about as elegantly as they could be.
At the end of the day, any camera needs to be taken as it's own thing. Having one camera and wishing it behaved like another is an exercise in frustration and certain to result in disappointment at some point. Some will like a camera and others will not, but that's much more to do with personal preference than camera fault in most cases (some cameras really are dogs... Ever use a first generation Sigma DP camera?).
And to the OP... Really sounds like you had a faulty camera. Nonetheless, I think using a handheld meter with a digital camera is an odd call. But if you must, test the sensor performance at a given ISO as you would any film stock. Some stocks I over exposed by a stop. Others I underexposed by 2/3. A sensor is the same way. You can't expect your meter and the sensor's output to line up perfectly to your liking out of the box.
I've really enjoyed reading this thread. Plenty of great thoughts and insights. Hope I didn't come off too grumpy; 'twasn't my intention.
Will
f16sunshine
Moderator
OurManInTangier
An Undesirable
You sure that deer wasn't married ?
Married or not I'd lay down some heavy dollar to watch entertainment like that. Though now I'm thinking tag teaming married deer....let me get a pen and paper, I'm making a business plan.
Agreed... !
tomtofa
Well-known
Kind of interesting to me - Jim Radcliffe posted on the GetDPI forum that after getting an XE2 he is selling his X-Pro1. He was very positive on the X-Pro (and Leica M8 before it), but the advances with the XE have made the OVF less of a draw to him, and in most other areas the XE has left the XPro behind.
Makes me wonder if Fuji is seriously even thinking about an X-Pro2. It's been a while, and they seem to be moving in a different direction with the cameras that have come after it . . .
Makes me wonder if Fuji is seriously even thinking about an X-Pro2. It's been a while, and they seem to be moving in a different direction with the cameras that have come after it . . .
willie_901
Veteran
I hope there is a X-Pro 2, in the form of a XTrans II or better sensor based body with the OVF/EVF finder. Maybe next fall?
Yeah, it would suck not to have a X-Pro1 successor. However, if they make a true digital Fujica SLR in the same spirit as the X-Pro1, I'd be interested as well.
kuzano
Veteran
A very unfair comparison on one MAJOR point Alone.
A very unfair comparison on one MAJOR point Alone.
RichyD....
Come on now. I find your comparison extremely unfair. I am not surprised with the issues you are having. Seems representative of the overpriced, fiddly and inconsistent practices of Fujifilm digital in their whole digital presentation. The only digital that I give high marks in their digital offerings is the S2 through S5 Pro series. I was extremely frustrated when it turned out that no S6 Pro was forthcoming. However I still use two S5 Pro bodies with high grade nikon lenses.
From all I read, that's about as good as Fuji ever got, with consistency in digital offering.
But you reach a real low when you expect Fujifilm to compare in any way to the GA645Zi. I would have been just as disappointed in your post if you had listed the GSW or GW III series big rangefinders.
The GA645Zi was a "PINNACLE" camera for Fujifilm. I do not in any way anticipate that Fujifilm will ever offer a digital camera that matches or exceeds what one can do with the Zi or the big rangefinders. First, there is the medium format difference, which makes it understandable that Fuji will not do well in digital by comparistion. Secondly, having owned 5 GA645Zi's, not one of which gave me any problems and delivered exceptional images, sharp and well exposed, I just don't think Fujifilm has the capability in digital. One of my Zi's had 234,000 clicks on the shutter when I sold it, still working perfectly.
So, I am disappointed that you brought an EXCEPTIONAL Fuji Film camera into this discussion to illustrate any shortcoming of the Fujifilm X(whatever) digital camera.
Fujifilm will likely never deliver a digital product that will compete with the GA645Zi. The playing field is so much in favor of the Zi, it would purely be insanity to expect anything near the image quality of the Zi from the total experience of Fujifilm in digital.:bang:
A very unfair comparison on one MAJOR point Alone.
RichyD....
Come on now. I find your comparison extremely unfair. I am not surprised with the issues you are having. Seems representative of the overpriced, fiddly and inconsistent practices of Fujifilm digital in their whole digital presentation. The only digital that I give high marks in their digital offerings is the S2 through S5 Pro series. I was extremely frustrated when it turned out that no S6 Pro was forthcoming. However I still use two S5 Pro bodies with high grade nikon lenses.
From all I read, that's about as good as Fuji ever got, with consistency in digital offering.
But you reach a real low when you expect Fujifilm to compare in any way to the GA645Zi. I would have been just as disappointed in your post if you had listed the GSW or GW III series big rangefinders.
The GA645Zi was a "PINNACLE" camera for Fujifilm. I do not in any way anticipate that Fujifilm will ever offer a digital camera that matches or exceeds what one can do with the Zi or the big rangefinders. First, there is the medium format difference, which makes it understandable that Fuji will not do well in digital by comparistion. Secondly, having owned 5 GA645Zi's, not one of which gave me any problems and delivered exceptional images, sharp and well exposed, I just don't think Fujifilm has the capability in digital. One of my Zi's had 234,000 clicks on the shutter when I sold it, still working perfectly.
So, I am disappointed that you brought an EXCEPTIONAL Fuji Film camera into this discussion to illustrate any shortcoming of the Fujifilm X(whatever) digital camera.
Fujifilm will likely never deliver a digital product that will compete with the GA645Zi. The playing field is so much in favor of the Zi, it would purely be insanity to expect anything near the image quality of the Zi from the total experience of Fujifilm in digital.:bang:
Ryan1938
Established
I absolutely love my X-Pro1 and it has only gotten better with all of the firmware updates. That being said, I recently got an x100s and its hard to deny that it so much more fun to shoot than then XP1. It's not that its more capable than an XP1, it's just that it feels so good in your hand and is so damned tactile.
macjim
Well-known
Well,
As you will have seen in the forum, Fuji have announced a new update for the X-Pro1 so maybe this might help. So wait until this new update is here on the 5th December and installed on the camera before deciding what you will do with it. Maybe it might change your might about the X-Pro1.
As you will have seen in the forum, Fuji have announced a new update for the X-Pro1 so maybe this might help. So wait until this new update is here on the 5th December and installed on the camera before deciding what you will do with it. Maybe it might change your might about the X-Pro1.
macjim
Well-known
It just hit me that I had a similar problem with my first X100s in that, when I set it up and shot my first photos with it, every shot was washed out. After working through the menu and adjusting this and that, I got it work just fine especially when I set the minimum shutter speed and ISO settings. As you will know, you can't do that with the X-Pro 1, or least not yet (see my previous posting), so maybe you are having a similar problem to mine with my X100s. That camera was replaced by Fuji as it had a problem with the blackout screen sticking half open and the replacement didn't seem to suffer the same over exposure out of the box problem.
Give the new update a try when it comes out and set the minimum shutter speed/ISO and see if that helps and if it doesn't, ask for a replacement camera.
rivercityrocker
Well-known
It's THIS kind of crap that I'm sick of hearing. Not everyone who owns a Leica is a f'n millionaire. Yeah, sorry you can't afford a Leica. Why don't you try SAVING some money for one?
I saved for awhile so I could get an M8, then when I got that M8 I used it to make money and eventually it paid itself off. And when that happened I kept using it, and I saved up money from every shot I did with it until I could afford an M9.
I'm not even close to being rich. But I am smart when it comes to planning to buy gear.
I don't come to this forum and call Fuji users a bunch of broke-dick wannabe Leica owners. Calling Leica users snobby millionaires is just as obnoxious.
I don't know what your story is, but maybe you shouldn't have had 5 kids, or married a tightwad, or taken out a second mortgage, or whatever. But don't come down on people and assume they are a bunch of rich people because they bought something you can't.