Do you recognise this historic photograph?

[Pherdinand]

Indeed, it's mnot totally unreasonable. It's just that i don't agree it is an attack on the human rights. It's a pathetic murder, a desperate act when people can't think of a more clever method, to try to kill the leader and hope for the best.

But it's only my oppinion, and you don't have to be woirried, i will never be a politician 😀 or a revolutionar or anything alike.

 

[Pherdinand]

Let me formulate this in another way.
If they would catch the murderer of JFK, would he be charged with planned murder, or with offense against the human rights?

 

[VinceC]

Assassins, in U.S. cases anyway, are charged with murder, but the length of their sentences tend to reflect the gravity of their crime against society. A murderer can be parolled. An assassin usually isn't.

 

[Xmas]

Vince
Curious - using your definition was JFK assassinated or murdered?
Noel

 

[Xmas]

I thought the ceremonial item stolen was a sabre? Will it turn into *****?
Noel

 

[fgianni]

Indeed, it's mnot totally unreasonable. It's just that i don't agree it is an attack on the human rights.

That's an interesting point of view, so if the people behind thore murders did not try to stop the progress of human rights in the US, what do you think they trying to achieve?

 

[Jonathan_100]

I recognized it instantly. It's a icon of the time. The only other one that comes to mind (sports wise) is the shot of Ali over Sunny Liston. Rover posted it. Not as obviously political, but the image as an icon can't be beat.

jonathan

 

[Xmas]

They made two mistakes
- not having two pairs of gloves and
- being brave,
they paid dear for the latter.
they held the pose long enough for a rewind and film change, sure pissed off the bigots good.
Noel

 

[VinceC]

>>Curious - using your definition was JFK assassinated or murdered?<<

Noel,
I'd say every senior public official stands for something beyond his or her personal actions. Oswald's attack appears to have been particularly aimed at the office of the president, as a statement against the United States and its policies. If JFK had been shot by a jealous husband or boyfriend during a romantic tryst, that would have been murder, not assassination.

 

[vladhed]

http://ivizlab.sfu.ca/arya/Gallery/Photos/

In that single link I count 15 pics that I would rate as more "instantly recognisable" that the one we're discussing. Wonder where and when that poll was made.

oh yea, there's that blasted "Lena" photo which was used extensively by eggheads doing research into image processing until someone pointed out that it was a scan of a Playboy centerfold - oops!

 

[VinceC]

Originally Posted by micromontenegro
http://ivizlab.sfu.ca/arya/Gallery/Photos/

In that single link I count 15 pics that I would rate as more "instantly recognisable" that the one we're discussing. Wonder where and when that poll was made.


I've got admit, Slava Veder's picture of the father returning home from a POW camp always gets me. Maybe because I've also had daughters.

http://ivizlab.sfu.ca/arya/Gallery/Photos/ReturnPOW.jpg

And I think "leash gal" is going to end up being more famous for today's world than the "black power" photo.

 

[julianphotoart]

I am sorry to hear about your uncle, Peter, passing away. I remember the race, I remember the salute, etc. I was supportive of their position.

the XIXth Olympiad. A great games. Bill Toomey was another great story there. I was very fond of John Carlos. He went to UCLA (at the same time OJ was at USC). He was a g great runner. I think UCLA won the NCAA track championships that year. I was rooting for him to win. I had no interest in Tommy Smith. Carlos was was a pretty good-sized guy and he was supposed to go into pro football right after the Olympics but his actions on the podium screwed up that career. I think he lasted only a little while but he wasn't able to withstand the pressure and criticism caused by his actions in Mexico City.

The photo doesn't show the black socks they also wore. I remember the ABC commentators (something tells me it was Chris Schenkel and he was none too happy) commenting ahead of time that something was going to happen so it wasn't all that shocking when it did.

This was happening at the same time as the Tet Offensive, the invasion of Czechoslovakia, the student riots in Paris, Bobby Kennedy, MLK, Angela Davis, People's Park, the Black Panthers, the 3rd straight summer of riots, the Democratic Convention in Chicago, Bobby Seale, Eldridge Cleaver, SDS, "Soul on Ice" -- in other words what I thought was the golden age of people rising up and questioning authority. So I am probably today vastly in the minority but I think of the bravery of those two guys as a valiant attempt at people's justice. Have I both dated and alienated myself????

 

[julianphotoart]

....and Trudeaumania too.

 

[Xmas]

Vince

I apologise I did not realise the context you made your statement. Thanks for the reply.

Noel

 

[fgianni]

Probably not as famous, but if I had to choose one photo above any other it would be probably be Tomoko Uemura in her bath by Eugene Smith

 

[Gabriel M.A.]

US history does NOT equal world history. Not knowing details of US history is irrelevant if you live anywhere outside the US.

How many pictures referring to Belgian colonial history would you recognise?

This is the same reasoning the people in the US have about history of other countries.

European history does NOT equal world history. And yet those of us outside of Europe know it. African history does NOT equal world history. Yet those of us outside of Africa know it. Asian history does NOT equal world history. etc. etc. etc.

Besides that: when did I ever say that the above was part of world history? If YOU think that "History" only means "World History", that's your misinterpretation.

And I'm not sure I would recognize many pictures referring to Belgian colonial history because, well, the Belgian global superpower that it is must've been too busy to propagate pictures. I have seen some current pictures of the Congo, some pretty screwed up colonialism legacies there...

 

[Gabriel M.A.]

This was happening at the same time as the Tet Offensive, the invasion of Czechoslovakia, the student riots in Paris, Bobby Kennedy, MLK, Angela Davis, People's Park, the Black Panthers, the 3rd straight summer of riots, the Democratic Convention in Chicago, Bobby Seale, Eldridge Cleaver, SDS, "Soul on Ice" -- in other words what I thought was the golden age of people rising up and questioning authority. So I am probably today vastly in the minority but I think of the bravery of those two guys as a valiant attempt at people's justice. Have I both dated and alienated myself????

Probably. Morons were running the world, and the world was reacting. The morons "took care" of the leaders they didn't like. The world reacted even more. This gave rise to the counterrevolution of the Angry Conservative "Men", which got even angrier at the media's reporting of an antidemocratic (toppling leaders in Laos, Chile, Central America, etc., embrasing China) president's tricky dealings, which is now why they have their own Faux Nooze network.

We're still seeing that play out. Of course, this is all paranoia, based on fiction, in a land that doesn't know its own history nor the outside world's.

I'll go play some Lawrence Welk and hear no evil, see no evil and say no evil.

 

[jonasv]

This is the same reasoning the people in the US have about history of other countries.

European history does NOT equal world history. And yet those of us outside of Europe know it. African history does NOT equal world history. Yet those of us outside of Africa know it. Asian history does NOT equal world history. etc. etc. etc.

And your point is...? I never claimed any such thing. Because people (quite a few of them Europeans) did not recognise the original picture you claim that 'history' is being neglected and people are uninformed. I'm only pointing out that it's just a detail in US history and it doesn't say anything at all about the importance and/or knowledge of history in countries other than the USA. Thus your statement was badly argumented and in my opinion unfounded.

Besides that: when did I ever say that the above was part of world history? If YOU think that "History" only means "World History", that's your misinterpretation.

Again, refer to the above, this is an international site with users from all over the world: because some of them don't recognise the picture you say it's a shame history's being neglected while this is simply untrue. ie a Norwegian, a Canadian and an Englishman replied saying that they did not recognise the picture and your post follows theirs, and I quote "you can see history is not something that is taught as it was before". Just because they didn't recognise a detail of US history.

That arrogant sneer at the end of your post is downright weak... "the Belgian global superpower that it is ", "I have seen some current pictures of the Congo, some pretty screwed up colonialism legacies there..." so are we going to blame each other for our countries faults in world history now? What a terribly interesting and useful argument that would be.

 

[Rich Silfver]

jvx, very well said.

 

[Pherdinand]

Francesco, it's one thing talking about what they tried to achieve, because they thought that's the way to do it (you are right of course that's what they tried), and it's another thing what the end result was (the death of a person). That's what I was meaning before, they had no more clever way to do it than a pathetic murder act of a single person and hoping for the best. Their best, of course.
So i keep my view, that killing a person (even a leader of something big) call it assassinating him or murdering him, does not represent an attack on the human rights, or anything else, only a plain simple murder.

When sometyhing big results from such a single act of criminality, see world war etc, that is because the assassination was used as a fake motivation for starting the war. Not because he was indeed such an important person that represented an idea or ideology and killing him means an offense on what he represented. I think saying the latter is over-dramatizing the facts.

It is exactly the same what's happening nowadays with the bad guys. Let's overthrow Saddam Hussein and Irak will be heaven on earth. Failed. Let's kill Osama bin Laden and terrorism will be gone. Failed.
Uno hirundo non facit vera, or something like that.