Eastern Europe

davidnewtonguitars said:
How is voicing an opposing point of view totalitarian?
Isn't free speech antithetical to totalitarian?
Don't we understand by now that the Communism of the USSR was a blight on Eastern Europe, or should we give it another chance?
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Did I mention free speech? I thought I said understanding.

Since you've brought free speech into it, I'll point out that free speech includes lies, abuse and hatred; not exactly 100% decent. And best refuted properly.

Regards, David

PS And I won't mention that country in the news where the police appear to shoot unarmed people dead without a second thought and where the people were so tired of it that they took to the streets and the Govt sent the troops and police out on the streets to suppress free speech.
 
David Hughes said:
Trouble is, all this talk of free speech is not what our forefathers (Owain Glyndŵr) would have recognised. Meaning people face to face but nowadays it can be the same silly slogan printed and posted a million times and then reposted. So it becomes something Dr Goebbels would have applauded or, at least, recognised as propaganded.

Worse still, we cannot retaliate in kind without very deep pockets no matter how abused, frightened or distressed we are. And then the hangers-on decide to flame people and threaten them and so on.

It seems to me a little balance is needed rather than a blanket approval of the principle.

Regards, David
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David, I always listen when you post.

All the best,
Mike
 
just got back from holidays in Czech Republic, a wonderful middle of nowhere near Karlovy Vary.

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David Hughes said:
Did I mention free speech? I thought I said understanding.

Since you've brought free speech into it, I'll point out that free speech includes lies, abuse and hatred; not exactly 100% decent. And best refuted properly.

Regards, David

PS And I won't mention that country in the news where the police appear to shoot unarmed people dead without a second thought and where the people were so tired of it that they took to the streets and the Govt sent the troops and police out on the streets to suppress free speech.
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Nicely put David. Just before your post, the phrase "those who live in glass houses.....etc" had crossed my mind....or was it "those who put children in cages"....
 
David Hughes said:
Did I mention free speech? I thought I said understanding.

Since you've brought free speech into it, I'll point out that free speech includes lies, abuse and hatred; not exactly 100% decent. And best refuted properly.

Regards, David

PS And I won't mention that country in the news where the police appear to shoot unarmed people dead without a second thought and where the people were so tired of it that they took to the streets and the Govt sent the troops and police out on the streets to suppress free speech.
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Is that Belarus that you have in mind?

Yes, free speech include lies, but lies can still be differentiated from truth, abuse and hatred is punishable by law. It's not easy with free speech, but it's more difficult when there is only one truth and there is no free speech at all and people are spayed with Novichok because of having different
values and political views.
 
valdas said:
Is that Belarus that you have in mind?

Yes, free speech include lies, but lies can still be differentiated from truth, abuse and hatred is punishable by law. It's not easy with free speech, but it's more difficult when there is only one truth and there is no free speech at all and people are spayed with Novichok because of having different
values and political views.
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But look at history and you will find that they get away with it over and over again. Mainly because the ones telling the lies etc are the ones in charge...


Often it takes a war or a bigger disaster to correct things and it takes a decade or two. Worst of all, the lesson of history is that people don't learn from history.


Regards, David
 
Yokosuka_Mike said:
David, I always listen when you post.

All the best,
Mike
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Thanks; I always look at your photo's when you post and get jealous about the cars and being allowed outdoors during lockdown* here.


Regards, David



* My wife is a biologist (long retired) but I trust her views on viruses more than I trust the politicians...
 
Thanks for sharing, Robert. It's a beautiful city. Below one from Budapest, where I stopped-over in the summer of 2011, on my way to Bucharest.
Buda on the left and Pest on the right. Epson R-D1s - Zeiss Biogon 2.8/28. On a beside, no Hungarian would consider the country to be a part
Eastern Europe.


 
Sure, there are so many divergent opinions. I believe it's best to accept what the majority of Greeks, Hungarians, Romanians, Croats, Serbs, Slovenes, Slovaks, Czechs, etc... believe themselves.
 
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