oscroft
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Nope, when you make a second chance offer you can specify how long you want it to run for, just like the original auction
paragon
Established
Second chance
Second chance
Alan I think that the guy is correct - a real second offer can ONLY be seen by the person to which the offer is made
Even if you try to find it in normal listings it will not be there if it is a second offer to you
Thanks again for the FED
Second chance
oscroft said:
Alan I think that the guy is correct - a real second offer can ONLY be seen by the person to which the offer is made
Even if you try to find it in normal listings it will not be there if it is a second offer to you
Thanks again for the FED
edodo
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oscroft said:
I should have specified it was the way in evilbay france. When the seller wants to make the second offer he can only do it to the two best following bidders. I may have forgot and it is possible that you can specify a timelaps. Anyway it sure isn't long like the original ad. I presume that you refer to the relisting feature. The second offer differs from it.
We should be all cautious on that ebey site because scammers love leica and all expensive goods in general.
Matthew55000
6x7 FTW
Nick De Marco said:
As quite a shrewd user of eBay how come you didn't know that he had zero feedback when you placed your bid?
Also, did the ad initially also state bank transfer only and no paypal?
If so, why did you bid in the first place?
David Murphy
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Nick De Marco said:
This is the classic eBay scam. There is no question (zero doubt) that this is a scam.
john_nyc
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I almost got screwed with my listing of a ZM Biogon last week on e-slay.
A zero feedback days-old account kept outbidding a legitimate bidder until it went out of range of what I though anyone would pay. I attempted to contact the zero-guy and told him that I would cancel his bids if he didn't respond in a reasonable amount of time. No response. I cancelled his bids and blocked future bids.
The original legit guy won the auction and is picking it up tomorrow.
Last year I sold a R2A and I had a zero-feedback 1 day old account guy do a buy-it-now, which was really inconvenient. He then proceeded to tell me that he was an American (my auctions are US-only), but he was living in the UK working at a "church gathering". He wanted me to ship the "item" to his son who was studying computer science in Nigeria. He kindly offered to pay me once I confirmed that the "item" was on the way.
One thing I wish ebay would allow is to exclude zero-feedback accounts. I guess they don't want to discourage legitimate new users, but truthfully I've never sold anything to an actual newbie, not even in the early days.
John
A zero feedback days-old account kept outbidding a legitimate bidder until it went out of range of what I though anyone would pay. I attempted to contact the zero-guy and told him that I would cancel his bids if he didn't respond in a reasonable amount of time. No response. I cancelled his bids and blocked future bids.
The original legit guy won the auction and is picking it up tomorrow.
Last year I sold a R2A and I had a zero-feedback 1 day old account guy do a buy-it-now, which was really inconvenient. He then proceeded to tell me that he was an American (my auctions are US-only), but he was living in the UK working at a "church gathering". He wanted me to ship the "item" to his son who was studying computer science in Nigeria. He kindly offered to pay me once I confirmed that the "item" was on the way.
One thing I wish ebay would allow is to exclude zero-feedback accounts. I guess they don't want to discourage legitimate new users, but truthfully I've never sold anything to an actual newbie, not even in the early days.
John
David Murphy
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john_nyc said:
eBay has no interest in excluding any buyer. They don't lose, they get their fees anyway. The seller suffers all the loses in the eBay universe. The entire eBay structure is geared to make sellers eat loses, promote buying and favor buyers in general. The new feedback system there is further proof of this -- it's totally slanted in favor of buyers.
Krosya
Konicaze
edodo said:
As far as I know, secondchance offer can be offered to ANY bidder that bid but didn't win, not just the top two. However, why would you go lower as you get less money?
And I believe that in secon chance offer seller can pick how long that offer is good for - 24hrs, 2 days, 3 days, etc. But if you have one of these, as others said - you should have it in your "my ebay", not just in email. If its email - it's fraud. It's funny, cause I even got some 2nd chance offers on the items I didn't even bid. lol Sure enough they were fake.summilux
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there are legitimate second chance offer, just make sure it is from the same seller, and confirm with the previous winner if he indeed backed out.
generalization like this is more product of fear than reason.
generalization like this is more product of fear than reason.
scottgee1
RF renegade
summilux said:
Um, how can this be done in cases where bidders are identified only by number?
ScottGee1
oscroft
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You might do it because you have several of the same item to sell and you want to offer one to everyone who has bid an acceptably high price.
MRohlfing
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On Ebay in My Account / Preferences under Buying Notifications there is an option:
Second Chance Offer
Allow sellers to send me offers through eBay for items that I bid on but did not win.
If this is set to Not subscribed, there should not be any second chance offer any more - at least no offers coming via Ebay!
Second Chance Offer
Allow sellers to send me offers through eBay for items that I bid on but did not win.
If this is set to Not subscribed, there should not be any second chance offer any more - at least no offers coming via Ebay!
Nick De Marco
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Matthew - you are right to pull me up on not being shrewd enough. Sometimes if the price is less than I think it will sell for I might enter a bid without checking too much. However, it did say paypal on his add, even when it came cack to me as a second chance offer. It's only when I enteretd communication with the guy that he said he could not accept paypal. Maybe there was a genuine winner and he told that person the same thing hence he pulled out, who knows? But I certainly was not stupid enough to pay without paypal to somone with zero rating.
The way it al worked I am sure the prson giving me the second chance offer was the same guy who put the advert up for the auction in the first place. However, I doubt i would recieve the lens in the photos if I sent him the money. I shall stay away from all zero raters from now on. I know we all have to start as one, but at the same time as a buyer you need to cut out some risks.
On another note, i recently bought some stuff from discount shops in the far east over ebay and have been delighted that I recieved new goods (mainly Voigtlander lenses), in good condition at half the price I could buy the stuff in the UK so not everything that seems too god to be true is.
The way it al worked I am sure the prson giving me the second chance offer was the same guy who put the advert up for the auction in the first place. However, I doubt i would recieve the lens in the photos if I sent him the money. I shall stay away from all zero raters from now on. I know we all have to start as one, but at the same time as a buyer you need to cut out some risks.
On another note, i recently bought some stuff from discount shops in the far east over ebay and have been delighted that I recieved new goods (mainly Voigtlander lenses), in good condition at half the price I could buy the stuff in the UK so not everything that seems too god to be true is.
Bosk
Make photos, not war.
I hate to sound harsh, but if you're willing to bid on an auction by a 0-feedback seller for any item over $100+ the odds of being scammed are pretty high, and it might be best to regard such a transaction as "taking a punt".
A 0-feedback seller is hardly risking their reputation or status by scamming you, right?
I'm led to wonder if it's usually Americans who are the victims of these scams.
No offense intended, but they do tend to have something of a reputation (around here at least) for greed and being a little on the gullible side.
A 0-feedback seller is hardly risking their reputation or status by scamming you, right?
I'm led to wonder if it's usually Americans who are the victims of these scams.
No offense intended, but they do tend to have something of a reputation (around here at least) for greed and being a little on the gullible side.
summilux
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the other thing I don't understand US sellers is that they really hate bank transfer, it is like taboo to them. anyone knows why?
David Murphy
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I'm an American who's lived in Europe (and many other places) and I can explain why. I know this may come as a shock, but it's not because we are a bunch of uncultivated, unsophisticated rubes, it's because the banks here are different. Wire transfers are not a service most US banks support for transferring small personal sums of money in the United States. They are usually used when larger sums must be moved securely, and even then only rarely with personal accounts. The paper work is significant and the fees are very high. Banks here are less regulated than in Europe, and less customer friendly (at least to small customers).summilux said:
We generally make online purchases with a credit card or sometimes PayPal.
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David Murphy
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Yes we are a bunch of greedy unsophisticated barbarians. Maybe you can shine some of your supremely superior culture this way and lead us out of this darkness!!Bosk said:
summilux
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I see, thanks David. When I buy things from Europe, the seller usually gives me an IBAN account, but I think Europe is less credit card driven than US. I personally think Paypal/credit card transaction, for seller, is very unsafe, because they are tons of buyer chargebacks etc, sometimes genuine, sometimes buyer remorse, sometimes just fraud.
I think around 28-30% profit by ebay is from paypal commission? Bidpay used to support overseas seller, now they are restricted to inland US sellers only.
I think around 28-30% profit by ebay is from paypal commission? Bidpay used to support overseas seller, now they are restricted to inland US sellers only.
David Murphy
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summilux said:
If PayPal is used with an eBay sale, eBay can often get as much as 10% of the purchase price. This is because they are a monopoly. It's pretty awful, but there is still money to be made on eBay as a seller.
Fortunately there are a few other places to sell like Craigs List (but apparently eBay has part ownership of this even) and many speciaty hobby-type sites (e.g. this one). These benefit both buyers and sellers by eliminating the middle men like eBay. One of eBay's propaganda tools is to try and convince everyone that they are the only "safe and secure" venue for negotiating online sales -- i.e. they hate "deals made out of school" since they don't get a cut.
summilux
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ebay's standard insurance is up to $200, minus $20(?) handling fee, this is irrespective of the value involved. the main arbitration is done by paypal if the deal is done through it, and as to how paypal acts as a judge when there is a dispute, you can see read many horror stories at: www.paypalsucks.com.