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It is then Raid, clever marketing, or shall we say clickbait for the collecting aficionado perhaps.....
ELCAN replica lens posts
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It is then Raid, clever marketing, or shall we say clickbait for the collecting aficionado perhaps.....
Emile de Leon
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Here we go again...
Erik van Straten
Veteran
As practically nobody knows how the original Elcan draws, it is unimportant that the copy will be exactly the same as the original. However, it would be great if the lens could be used to make pictures that are a bit different from the pictures that we are used to. That will certainly be the case if the makers of the new lens follow the example as closely as possible.
Erik.
Erik.
raid
Dad Photographer
This is also what I said above.
Erik is right.
Erik is right.
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Emile is right.... 🙂
"This is also what I said above.
Erik is right."
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How will you know Raid? Will you take it on vacation? 😉
Ed Schwartzreic
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At the risk of being hoisted upon my own petard, I know of nothing that indicates that we at RFF will be approached in the way we were for the 8-element. I have been the one who expressed a continual interest in this lens, in the prototype and in testing it. I have no idea what LLL's marketing for this lens might be.
I found the story of the original lens fascinating, the comments about it on line worthy of exploration, and the images made with it intriguing. As I mentioned somewhere above, I had cognitive dissonance around the story versus the images.
If the original lens were cheap I would have acquired one by now, to examine at leisure myself. Now I await the prototype.
I found the story of the original lens fascinating, the comments about it on line worthy of exploration, and the images made with it intriguing. As I mentioned somewhere above, I had cognitive dissonance around the story versus the images.
If the original lens were cheap I would have acquired one by now, to examine at leisure myself. Now I await the prototype.
Platinum RF
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To quote Ed’s article “The optical glasses, front to back of the ELCAN are: Lanthanum Crown Glass LaK9; Leitz Special Glass 672460; Flint Glass SF63; and Lanthanum Flint Glass LaFN7. “ the special Leitz glass, without formula, will be impossible to make.
From Merriam Webster dictionary “ Definition of replica, neither LLL lenses will fit the definition, so use the correct term Shanzhai instead of replica
1 : an exact reproduction (as of a painting) executed by the original artist
a replica of this was painted … this year
— Constance Strachey
2 : a copy exact in all details
DNA makes a replica of itself
sailed a replica of the Viking ship
broadly : COPY
this faithful, pathetic replica of a Midwestern suburb
— G. F. Kennan
From Merriam Webster dictionary “ Definition of replica, neither LLL lenses will fit the definition, so use the correct term Shanzhai instead of replica
1 : an exact reproduction (as of a painting) executed by the original artist
a replica of this was painted … this year
— Constance Strachey
2 : a copy exact in all details
DNA makes a replica of itself
sailed a replica of the Viking ship
broadly : COPY
this faithful, pathetic replica of a Midwestern suburb
— G. F. Kennan
raid
Dad Photographer
Think of it as semi-replica.
I never bought the ZM Zeiss 50/1.5, and this lens may be on my priority list before any semi-replica lens.
I never bought the ZM Zeiss 50/1.5, and this lens may be on my priority list before any semi-replica lens.
kram
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RFF needs a new section 'Leica M lenses and images - PRC'.
Hern
Established
Ha! Mil-spec quality control is possibly the world's biggest oxymoron. I can still remember how a fresh recruit managed to snap a firing pin clean in half without having ever fired the rifle...
Emile de Leon
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Kinda..sorta..like-ca (Leica)-ish..maybe..well.. squint a lil bit.. look sidewayz..and ouila..its a genuine..riplica..
raid
Dad Photographer
I will wait and see what Ed gets with the proto-type lens if he gets it from LLL.
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Emile, as quoted in Vince Lupo's thread on the Ermanox: “The collectors really only enjoy the appearance and possession of this beautiful piece”
Emile de Leon
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Deardorff,
Takes all kinds..
Personally I dont buy to collect..
But I do have old cams that I bought in flea markets..found in the garbage..or friends and family gave to me..that are just a sittin..gatherin dust..that were once workable..
And then there are those good ones that probably need a cla..but it just gets too expensive caring for them..
Probably will unload them at some point..
I still like the 1800's Kodak box cam in green that was tossed out by my neighbors family when their 90+ mother died. She lived alone and I used to help her out from time to time w/stuff that broke down..her house was like going into a 1940's movie. They just threw everything out..on the street.
Right now..I'm preparing to use my 1935 8x10 Deardorff..that I got for a song from the photogs son after he passed..it was heavily used..but at one point he stuck a new bellows on it and front swings too..
For some reason..that cam is really the stuff..cant wait to get it going in a couple of weeks..with the Pinkham Smith.
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Indeed Emile! My '38 no front swing 5x7 Deardorff was well used when i bought it with 2 backs for about $400 USD. Very much like the Timex ad "keeps on ticking."
It doesn't seem as though LLL has changed its business model too much....create a buzz...then (drumroll).....wait for the lens. The 8 element was a cool project just at the time i was looking for a black paint 35mm, but I can't say their future projects hold much interest for me. I'm looking forward to more travel with the gear i've got. At the current prices of sheet film and FB paper there are other places (for me) to spend money.
kram
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With only 4 elements, mounting and centering of each lens element needs to be to a very high standard. It will be interesting how this compares to the original.
brusby
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The optical errors resulting from any single element being misaligned in a 4 element lens might be higher than for a lens with more elements, but as the number of elements increases, so does the probability of one or more of them being out of alignment.
raid
Dad Photographer
OK, who is selling the ELCAN replica?
kram
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I think Zeiss started the more element rekaxation idea. 1st 15mm hologon had 3 elements 16mm had 5 as easier to produce (sic). There distagon 21mm for Contax had a load of elements. Documents by Zeiss dicuss relaxation pricess with more elements to improve image quality rather tgan fewer more precise elements. The're the optical experts so I am going on their expertise.
