End of 35 mm Cameras

[Bertram2]

Maybe I'm just a foolish old refusenik.
Ray

One does not get automatically a foolish old refusenik because one does not want to take part at the "chip imaging revolution" I'd say.! 😉
Sometimes it is hard to explain the own POV however. It is fascinating how very indoctrinated the public opinion is about this issue. And the less somebody knows about photography the more he is amazed about somebody who does stick with film. These marketing windbags have done a perfect work.

Bertram

 

[Socke]

Yes, strictly potographic process from the beginning to the end, that is different. I know an advertising photographer who replaces the Sinar Scanback against sheet holders for his personal work. He does a lot of product shots day in and day out and once in a while he just has to get his fingers dirty and shoots traditional B/W in 13x18cm. He doesn't even use PE paper 🙂

But his bread and butter is digital from one end to the other.

 

[Socke]

There is another point here, too. Film cameras tend to be fairly basic - certainly RFs. Focus, shutter speed, aperture...........but with digital, the choice of compression, JPEG vs. RAW, white balance, saturation blah, blah, blah tends to get in the way of taking the picture.

Maybe I'm just a foolish old refusenik.

Ray

With film you have to make a choice which film to use, the filter while you shoot, the developer, dilution, agitation, paper grade, filtration and so on.

It's not so different after all.

The fun thing with film is the way you restrict yourself, you have to make the film in your camera work for the picture as you can't change it easily.

And it is very satisfying when the shot turns out well although you had a slow slidefilm but the lack of a mirror and the fast lens let you shoot where the dSLR users with their f4-5.6 zoom lenses went home to wheeo into their pillows 😀

 

[Andy K]

With film you have to make a choice which film to use, the filter while you shoot, the developer, dilution, agitation, paper grade, filtration and so on.

It's not so different after all.

The fun thing with film is the way you restrict yourself, you have to make the film in your camera work for the picture as you can't change it easily.

And it is very satisfying when the shot turns out well although you had a slow slidefilm but the lack of a mirror and the fast lens let you shoot where the dSLR users with their f4-5.6 zoom lenses went home to wheeo into their pillows 😀

The fun is pre-visualising the photograph you wish to make and then choosing which materials would be best to make it with.
For example, if I was making a photograph looking at a town from a high point (or any subject requiring detail) I would choose my medium format Isolette I and a slow film, so as to capture the maximum detail possible.
If photographing at a party I would choose either my OM-1n MD or QL17 GIII and use fast film so that I don't have to use flash.
I never feel restricted.

 

[Bertram2]

He does a lot of product shots day in and day out and once in a while he just has to get his fingers dirty and shoots traditional B/W in 13x18cm. He doesn't even use PE paper 🙂
But his bread and butter is digital from one end to the other.

So what are your conclusions ? What could this tell us 😀 😀
Bertram

 

[Socke]

The conclusion should be obvious, he earns the money to do traditional silver based photography with digital 🙂

There is no demand for product photography which is not digitized at some stage.

Andys type of shooting is what I call the Zen of photography, I hope I'll some day reach the state where I can anticipate what equipment I will need.

 

[Bertram2]

Andys type of shooting is what I call the Zen of photography, I hope I'll some day reach the state where I can anticipate what equipment I will need.

If you can anticipate anything before you have seen the place you are going to,
this IS Zen indeed ! 😀
But as long as I haven't reached that level of beeing I must try to keep me as flexible as it is necessary. BTW going to a place I don't know i never carry my camera loaded. The film stays in my pockets, until I really know which one I need.

B.

 

[Andy K]

If you can anticipate anything before you have seen the place you are going to,
this IS Zen indeed ! 😀
But as long as I haven't reached that level of beeing I must try to keep me as flexible as it is necessary. BTW going to a place I don't know i never carry my camera loaded. The film stays in my pockets, until I really know which one I need.

B.

It is sensible to know or research your subject before you photograph it. If you don't there is a good chance you'll just be wasting film.
I waited for three days for the light and weather to be right before taking these. 1, 2
The first with the OM-1 the second with the Isolette. Marks on the prints are from my dirty scanner glass.

 

[Bertram2]

It is sensible to know or research your subject before you photograph it. .

I said "anticipate anything before you have seen the place you are going to"

If you travel for example you take it or leave it. That was what I meant. If I'd shoot places only which I can explore before and to which I can go back then anytime later when the circumstances are ideal I would feel myself too restricted.
I like it to go out with the camera and try to pick opportunities.

B.