Exploding heads over at APUG

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Brian, you're not a dinosaur. You're just perhaps a smidgen slow in catching up. :p
 
We had an old "drum Printer" from the '70s that made incredibly sharp negatives. It used lasers and all that. I also used Dicomed's and the lot to print digital images to film "way back When", ie over 20 years ago. The resolution was 1st rate. It was Vector Technology, not raster. Digital Negative. Hmmm... Nope don't remember that one! We should have coined it.
 
I agree with all that's been said about the civility and tolerance I find on RFF. It's a special place!

Digital Negative? I think it's a moveable definition, Brian, with no single answer. To me it's the 'rawest', first-generation digital capture you have -- whether that's in RAW, TIFF, JPG whatever format. It's the mother image you go back to for starting over. Of course it's usually not a negative image at all, but a positive one.

When I owned a Digital Rebel I shot everything in RAW format and saved the RAW files for my archives, not any derived files. The RAW image, being a transfer of the unmanipulated data off the sensor, seems the closest, in my mind, to a true definition of 'digital negative'.

VueScan was mentioned in another thread. One of its features is its ability to take a RAW image from the scanner's sensor and store that (in a TIFF format). It truly is a 'negative' image and thus might qualify, if a slide or negative didn't precede it.

Very confusing terminology -- more of a 'concept' term than a meaningful description I suspect.

Gene
 
Here is the bible for digital negatives: Making Digital Negatives for Contact Printing. Using inkjet printers to print an inverted image on plastic stock is a godsend for contact printers. Until now, if you wanted to contact print a larger image you had to use a larger camera. Now you contact your 35mm image on 8x10. This is something I plan on getting into.

The frustration at APUG is that it is the best source for analog processes. Those that use the hybrid analog image capture-digital manipulation--analog printing process need that information but are treated as second class citizens. There is a sub forum for hyprid processes but you have to register for it and it's hidden from those with digitalphobias.
 
I'm not sure which is worse, the Digital Evangalists who are convinced that their 6 megapixel point and shooter has now replaced large format contact prints or the Fearful Film Fundamentalists who's very existence seems threatened by the D... word.

Back in the 1960s and into the 1970s the great bugaboo was color. Real photographers shot black and white. Color photography wasn't really photography.
 
djhurley92 said:
Resurrecting an old thread (apologies...) Just tried out Apug, within my first 2 posts I made the mistake of mentioning Ilford's digital printing service. Immediately got a private message from a stranger telling me to back off because no one wants to hear about that 'bull****' on that website. Not much seems to have changed in 9 years. I'm glad I found RFF first!!
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Good grief! I joined there several years ago and after a bit of a browse gave it a big swerve ... way too many intolerant zealots!

RFF is definitely the 'coolest' photography forum on the web. :)
 
I don't think it's that bad... Not great for bumping this dinosaur of a thread, but it's a good forum with loads of knowlegable folks. I don't find it as bad as some people are making it out to be -- I think a lot of old-timers aren't familiar with how things are on Internet forums and tend to be a bit thin-skinned about things in general.

It isn't a face-to-face conversation and should not be treated as such, although I will certainly concede that "kids these days lack social skills" [/old man grumble]...

That being said, if you guys find APUG vitriolic, you should see the forums I usually lurk on. It would light your hair on fire.
 
djhurley92 said:
Resurrecting an old thread (apologies...) Just tried out Apug, within my first 2 posts I made the mistake of mentioning Ilford's digital printing service. Immediately got a private message from a stranger telling me to back off because no one wants to hear about that 'bull****' on that website. Not much seems to have changed in 9 years. I'm glad I found RFF first!!
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:eek: I'm genuinely curious - how do they reconcile their intense hatred towards digital imaging and printing with the fact that they are using a (very) digital service?
 
YYV_146 said:
:eek: I'm genuinely curious - how do they reconcile their intense hatred towards digital imaging and printing with the fact that they are using a (very) digital service?
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How perfectly analyzed....Their lies the Beauty of their Stupidity
And we can All Chuckle
 
I like apug - but there is one member in particular who is incredibly abusive towards other members, insulting their intelligence and making personal attacks whenever they disagree with him, and they've ruined the whole thing for me so many times I don't bother posting there anymore. They seem to suffer from a high level of narcissism and paranoia.

I took a year break from apug once, and when I returned one of the first things that happened was this A-hole replied to a post of mine with a link to an ages old thread where I had made a "mistake".

I haven't been back since. :)

I do still check out the classic forum on photo.net sometimes, people over there are a lot more easy going.
 
I guess the poor sods feel that they're under siege from the digital tide.

The abuse is their version of pouring boiling oil from the ramparts! LOL :D
 
As Bill Clinton was not told to say: "it's the internet, stupid". :D

I used to say that the only thing I'm intolerant of is intolerance, then I realised this meant I was intolerant of my intolerance. :eek:

By the way, could the person who took my white robes and burning cross, after last week's lynching, please return them?
 
RFF is certainly more diversified in what they accept or not. APUG has a lot of great info a few mad hatters who have brilliant ideas but not so great people skills and they also have analogue zealots who hate everything digital. Unfortunately a lot of great APUG contributors moved to digital and are now being treated like lepers by some members of APUG
Blansky comes to mind as victim as well as Sandy King, Bob Carnie doesn't seem to have an easy life on Apug either.

The view a lot of APUG zealots have is that there are a lot of places to discuss digital content on the web but very few places to discuss analogue photography and they are somewhat right. The near dismissal of Kodak and some Fuji stunts have also created a bit of fear which resulted in some severe reactions (short fuses) towards people asking hybrid questions.

But for the most APUG is still a great place to be and the tread that is being discussed here is a bad example.
 
Lots of forums are strict, some are not.

This is a RF forum, yet people post about digital SLR cameras and it is tolerated. Well lots of people can not afford digital Leicas. Epson RF was the only alternative and was not even a good second in my opinion.

Digital is stronger all the time. Cheap it is not. Cameras go obsolete or unrepairable. One needs really good computers and monitors that are calibrated and software. Most film lenses needed updating. Wide lenses on digital rf are a problem. If you are a pro who does thousands of images, digital will save you money. If you do a roll a week, probably not.

If you are tolerant, this is the place . If you are purist, perhaps you will prefer APUG.
 
I do find Analogue Photgraphic Users Group interresting and have certainly seen far worse behavior especially in news groups.

But if you go and scroll down the home page you will see a reference to DPUG.org

http://www.dpug.org/forums/f38/

and there's apparently plenty of activity. I have a couple of digitals and appreciate the immediacy of the medium (so to say) but am not seriously into it.

I have to admit the original poster had a nasty example of zealotry but it does pay to concentrate on the subject pretty closely.

The one digital site I visit isn't labelled as North American but the users tend to be pretty restricted in their view of the world. Monthly contests reflect northern hemisphere seasons, events and so forth.
 
This is completely unrelated to the direction the topic is going, but I remember hearing about digital contact pritnting about 10 years ago, then forgot about it, then when I went searching around a few months ago, I wasn't even sure if it existed.
Now I know it wasn't just a crazy memory.
 
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