Seems now officially APS-C will be for chicks and FF for us real photogsInteresting times, indeed.
Notice the big grin; should be taken as humor IMO.
Gary E
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MiniMoke
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Yes, annoyed is the word.... I don't understand this absolute need for FF, at least for most non-professionals. IQ of most recent APS-C and MFT sensors is more than adequate for the needs 98% of hobbyists have. My walls are not big enough for monster prints
.Fuji has, or had a near perfect lineup of cameras until not too long ago, and now they start to go in all directions. X-A1, M1, F1, Q1....... how many X'es can you build. X-Trans, Bayer sensors, make your choice....
Don't you think they overdo it?
And now a FF sensor while their XF lenses, according to themselves, don't cover the FF image circle..... so new lenses.
Hey Fuji, why not say a big, loud 'NO' to this arms race? Why can Olympus stay with the nifty MFT sensor when bigger is better? Well, because! Because they KNOW that their format is OK for most, makes for very nice, small cameras with small lenses.
Leave FF for big ugly DSLR's!
thegman
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I guess they feel that if they said 'no' to going to FF, then they'd stop selling cameras to a certain market segment.
Knowing your format is good enough, or better does not mean much when the buyers have been convinced that bigger is better, higher numbers are better, and newer is better. Also 'It's what the pros use' goes a long way in terms of selling stuff.
Not sure what the MFT players will do, but would not be surprised to see Panasonic make a FF alternative.
MiniMoke
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Right, that's why most unwitting people still buy huge plastic DSLR's!
But it's definitely not for the mirrorless crowd who are aware of the magic words: 'small', 'unobtrusive' and 'take everywhere'.
macjim
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I for one would love to have a full frame camera from Fuji. I've always been a FF man and miss the days when I had an Olympus OM-1n and the 50 mm lens. Having recently owned an M9 and an D600 before moving to the X100s & X-Pro1 I still intend to go back to FF. There's something special about the image quality of FF which, even though the images out of my Fuji surprise me, that still has me wanting to get back to FF. The combination of FF and the way Fuji listen and act on users comments suggest to me they could do something special. The new Sony A7/7a impress me and could prise me away from one, if not both Fuji cameras, but for now I'll stick with my current system and models.
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robert blu
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I like small cameras, I have small hands and do not print larger than 50x70 cm which is ok with APS-C. So long fuji is committed to the actual x-trans lines my preference stay here.
One of the reason of my interest in mirrorless is the size weight aspect.
If Fuji makes a FF camera is not is my interest but if other people like it why not?
Different people, different photographers, different options.
robert
One of the reason of my interest in mirrorless is the size weight aspect.
If Fuji makes a FF camera is not is my interest but if other people like it why not?
Different people, different photographers, different options.
robert
nongfuspring
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I think Fuji has to go FF to stay competitive in the prosumer market. Also, I think they'd do a fantastic job at a FF camera, the A7 is a really interesting step forward but it looks like it was designed by a committee. Hopefully Fuji will refine what Sony has managed and augment it into something much more photographer oriented.
It seems a lot of argument in favor of smaller sensors is about size and weight, which IMO is a false economy. The A7 proves you don't need a bigger body than an OMD, and AF FF lenses can be of a comparable size to smaller formats so long as they aren't ultra fast (which they don't need to be since FF gives you shallower DOF and you'd hope the FF sensors with extra photo sites should have higher ISO performance).
What will still matter is the look that the different formats give you.
It seems a lot of argument in favor of smaller sensors is about size and weight, which IMO is a false economy. The A7 proves you don't need a bigger body than an OMD, and AF FF lenses can be of a comparable size to smaller formats so long as they aren't ultra fast (which they don't need to be since FF gives you shallower DOF and you'd hope the FF sensors with extra photo sites should have higher ISO performance).
What will still matter is the look that the different formats give you.
Spyro
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the only thing I really miss is my M-rokkor 40/2, giving the full FOV it was designed to give.
If fuji makes a couple of native manual lenses, that itch will be sufficiently scratched AFAIC. But no compromises: manual focus, pancake, 40mm equiv, focusing tab and equivalent aperture if possible. In that order of importance.
If fuji makes a couple of native manual lenses, that itch will be sufficiently scratched AFAIC. But no compromises: manual focus, pancake, 40mm equiv, focusing tab and equivalent aperture if possible. In that order of importance.
Spyro
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amazing how many nice things on little lens huh?
all right 3 out of 5 then, I'll ditch the equivalent aperture and focusing tab (I'll glue one on )
all right 3 out of 5 then, I'll ditch the equivalent aperture and focusing tab (I'll glue one on
)macjim
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noimmunity
scratch my niche
Nice confirmation that they are going to keep the hybrid VF.
2015 may however seem like a long way away, especially if that means 2017 before the lens lineup is all in place.
Since each generation of sensor is basically a whole new emulsion, people are eventually going to start getting interested in outdated sensors for that "special look". (But aren't sensors all expected to deteriorate over time from sunspot radiation?)
charlesholland
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Great to see the rapid developments in a primarely consumer- oriented photography manufactorers world. Things are going so fast that users have too many choises and tend to forget what they actually need... For now I stick with film and a recently bought coolpix a (great little thing). Moreover: don't forget the impact of software development! It is not only about the sensor...
willie_901
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Actually it is only about the sensor and lenses.The most important part of the data stream is the data. The first principle of measurement is to collect the highest quailty data possible.
Besides, any improvements software can achieve after the shutter closes still applies to higher quality data (which is primarily a function of the sensor's analog signal-to-noise ratio, the color-filter-array and the lens optics).
Photog9000
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Notice the big grin; should be taken as humor IMO.
You are probably right, Doug. My mistake! :bang:
furcafe
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MiniMoke
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See the people like me who prefer the X100 sensor over the X100s......
All a question of taste
All a question of taste
jarski
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actually, its not only about sensor and lens, but increasingly the software and connectivity. I know average RFFer probably wants to piss over anything that post anything to Facebook, but for the rest of world its actually a desirable feature. this article sums up nicely how Japanese camera companies have ended up into current financial problems, because of hardware oriented thinking:
hope time and money won't run out from Fuji to deliver their ff-system. besides megapixels, sensor size is the other easily understandable variable for average camera buyer. now that Sony has made their move, its a kind of do or die situation for Fuji (and others).
The old camera will still work the way the company promised at the time of purchase. I'm not sure why people expect technology companies to not keep updating specs. Digital photography is in its infancy.
Think of the depreciation as money saved on film.
Sony has proven it doesn't need to be large to be FF.
I'm with you here, but if you worry to much about when something will be outdated, you will never buy anything.