clayne
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Then turn your brightness down. Black background is total crap.
Flickr. Am I the only one who likes it?
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Then turn your brightness down. Black background is total crap.
colyn
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That's not a fix.. It only makes darker tones darker as well.
Sorry but your response was a bit lame...
clayne
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So how do you handle those blaring highlights? Do you have a light on when you use the computer? I think it's a bit lame to not use a white background purely because of "glare" when a black background visually biases the contrast upwards of most non-night photographs (which are the majority). It's not as if a black background is somehow serene and now "one can just concentrate on the photograph" when it's inherently jacking the contrast up itself.
mani
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Something people seem to be forgetting is that it's a very trivial matter to change the appearance of a website by using a bookmarklet that targets the css rules you don't like. Naturally this only changes the appearance for yourself, and not to visitors to your images, but if it was really important to you, then distributing the bookmarklet could be an option.
It took me just a couple of minutes to find the margin and width settings for the justified view - these can be increased to whatever suits the viewer - and the single image view is extremely trivial to change to a white background.
There's not much point in producing a customizing bookmarklet for flickr just yet, as both the settings of the justified view, and also user-configurable background color (black or white presumably) are on flickr's development to-do list, so putting energy into it would be wasted effort at this point.
I imagine that pretty soon flickr will be looking the way the vast majority want it to, with beautifully big images and plenty of whitespace to complement them, if the user chooses. I'm looking forward to the improved site being even better when the fixes are in place, and the discontented minority have left.
It took me just a couple of minutes to find the margin and width settings for the justified view - these can be increased to whatever suits the viewer - and the single image view is extremely trivial to change to a white background.
There's not much point in producing a customizing bookmarklet for flickr just yet, as both the settings of the justified view, and also user-configurable background color (black or white presumably) are on flickr's development to-do list, so putting energy into it would be wasted effort at this point.
I imagine that pretty soon flickr will be looking the way the vast majority want it to, with beautifully big images and plenty of whitespace to complement them, if the user chooses. I'm looking forward to the improved site being even better when the fixes are in place, and the discontented minority have left.
shanenoir
Established
I like it a lot. Browsing photos from my contacts is more pleasant and easier to scroll through. The new look is quite refreshing, and the free virtually unlimited data is pretty sweet. I had been paying for pro for four years, and I am still at only about 0.025 TB... so I figure I can go another 40 years before I really need to think about spending money on Flickr again 😉
Sparrow
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... only as a host, they are also hosting my ipernity logo 😀 ... I can stand to look at it long enough to get the image-address without feeling queasy
Photo_Smith
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The studies done by EJ Breneman (Photo Science (6) 1962) showed that the same photograph viewed with bright white and grey and black backgrounds demonstrated that darker backgrounds help the eye with tonal separation due to an effect called 'local inhibition' because the eye is adaptive.
He concluded that a white surround will make the lower tones in a grey-scale appear darker (and more compressed) and will increase the apparent contrast values of the lighter tones in the photograph.
Please excuse the quick snap of the white paper on tone reproduction and cheeky black surround 🙂
I guess that's why most image editors use grey or black as a background, but on the flip side you may wish for higher contrast in the upper tones and less separation, I guess you print/process for your target surround type.
All food for thought.
On a personal note I don't like white backgrounds for slides, or transmissive mediums and normally put my prints on an off white border.
mani
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As I mentioned above, the entire discussion will be moot when flickr update the site to allow for user-preferred background for single image views, as they've stated they intend to do.
Otherwise, a simple css-injection can modify the background to white (or grey or bright purple) if this is what the visitor prefers.
Ridiculous that a few people are storming off (many of them temporarily I should guess) over something as easily modified as a few arbitrary css settings. I'd be surprised if 95% of what the complainers have been screaming and shouting about isn't fixed within a couple of months.
In any case, I'd certainly have more respect for those abusing flickr on fora like this one, and even using flickr's very generous free hosting to insult and denigrate the site, if they simply left instead. Posting their 'flickr suicide' notes here is laughable on at least two counts:
1. they're still using the service
2. why would anyone else care?
Otherwise, a simple css-injection can modify the background to white (or grey or bright purple) if this is what the visitor prefers.
Ridiculous that a few people are storming off (many of them temporarily I should guess) over something as easily modified as a few arbitrary css settings. I'd be surprised if 95% of what the complainers have been screaming and shouting about isn't fixed within a couple of months.
In any case, I'd certainly have more respect for those abusing flickr on fora like this one, and even using flickr's very generous free hosting to insult and denigrate the site, if they simply left instead. Posting their 'flickr suicide' notes here is laughable on at least two counts:
1. they're still using the service
2. why would anyone else care?
Sparrow
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... do you own shares?
mani
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Well as flickr has 87 million users and is growing, I wish I did.
But this would be a matter of personal integrity for me: if I'd made such a big public deal of 'quitting' flickr in disgust, I would've gone so far as to actually do it in reality.
colyn
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It's obvious you don't understand proper viewing of images by your comments..
Since I do a lot of graphics I keep my monitors calibrated. Any changes have a negative impact on that.
If websites would use a neutral white instead of pure white viewing would be much easier. As was pointed out in a previous post galleries use a neutral white for the walls.
Sparrow
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... you clearly missed the part where I said I was leaving the account for the dross and historic links
However I am getting tired of these personal attacks from you, this implicit questioning of my personal integrity being only the latest in a string of such ...
mani
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I'm just responding to things that you've said in this thread. That is, I'm giving my personal opinions and reflections on what you've stated, including the statement you made above about posting new images to your flickr stream, and also using flickr to host your ipernity logo.
It seems that you don't like 'debate' - that is, two sides to a discussion. You've already stated that your own opinion isn't 'subjective' but is somehow an absolute measure of aesthetic excellence based on your job title, so I assume you want me to stop commenting on your posts for the same sort of reason?
I think there's a 'block' function on RFF? You could use that if you don't want to see my input. I definitely don't think anything I've said would be out of line as far as the moderators are concerned.
Sparrow
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No need, I'm just giving fair warning ... should you ever feel the need to support those opinions with anything more than hot-air, a whining insistence on relativism of opinion and the occasional snide insult, personally I'm happy for people to judge the relative value of our comments on our published work, as they say talk is cheap
mani
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I really have no idea what you mean with any of this (apart from the direct personal insults which you were so sensitive about before?) Do you mean we should have a fist-fight or is it a photographic face-off you have in mind? 😕
Anyway, I'm not interested in the personal clashes, at all. You've been very vocal in this and other threads about how awful flickr is, and I've simply responded in some measure to redress the balance.
Let me know if you intend to turn up in Stockholm with boxing-gloves. But otherwise: the RFF block function. I'm sure there is one somewhere - I've never had to use it.
bobby_novatron
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What is it with the Interweb that causes people in far-flung geographic locales to feel they need to lob snippy comments at one-another?
Anybody around here own a camera? Nothing like a street fight to get some good 'decisive moments'! I'm booking my flight to Stockholm right now!
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But in other news (meaning BACK ON TOPIC) -- is it just me, or is the new Flickr design loading really slowly? I am finding that the new layout is growing on me, but the slow load times are frustrating. I'm located in Canada (with residential cable modem service), but I know people in other locales have had similar issues.
Michael Markey
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Still slow for me too and a seemingly different set of problems each day.
I am continuing to use it at present but when I upload pictures and post it doesn`t show the updated photo stream.
It throws up the old then corrects within a minute or so.
I`ve largely stopped looking at my contacts pages because of slow load times and erratic page selection.
I am continuing to use it at present but when I upload pictures and post it doesn`t show the updated photo stream.
It throws up the old then corrects within a minute or so.
I`ve largely stopped looking at my contacts pages because of slow load times and erratic page selection.
back alley
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mine is not slow but it is now doing the rest of what you say.
mani
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Yep to get back on-topic: the flickr crew are updating the site on an ongoing basis, so new glitches and erratic behavior, together with fixes and new functionality, are gonna be expected over at least the next few weeks, I should think.
Obviously the big blunder (as I said before) was that the update wasn't ready for release. This entire process should've been handled and thoroughly tested on development servers, not on live servers that have 87 million accounts on them, and several billion images.
But I guess flickr would see it as a massive climbdown to revert to the old site until the bugs are fully fixed and the new site is working properly (ironically a side-effect of the high emotional temperature of the debate from the very start).
And don't forget that the slowness hasn't been experienced by everyone (I haven't seen it). Having said that, I still hate the infinite scroll, and I'm hoping it'll go. But if it doesn't, I'll have to live with it, or just stop using the service if it annoyed me that much.
Obviously the big blunder (as I said before) was that the update wasn't ready for release. This entire process should've been handled and thoroughly tested on development servers, not on live servers that have 87 million accounts on them, and several billion images.
But I guess flickr would see it as a massive climbdown to revert to the old site until the bugs are fully fixed and the new site is working properly (ironically a side-effect of the high emotional temperature of the debate from the very start).
And don't forget that the slowness hasn't been experienced by everyone (I haven't seen it). Having said that, I still hate the infinite scroll, and I'm hoping it'll go. But if it doesn't, I'll have to live with it, or just stop using the service if it annoyed me that much.
Michael Markey
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Yep ...that`s what I`ve concluded.
Fortunately I have found an acceptable alternative so ,as you say Mani ,its a case of wait and see.
Fortunately I have found an acceptable alternative so ,as you say Mani ,its a case of wait and see.
