Paul T.
Veteran
I do feel sorry for this guy. But would you buy any expensive gold-plated piece of Nazi memorabilia in ostensibly perfect condition, and not google the thing quickly first? Or ask a friend? Our poor chap here didn't, and plainly thought he was some kind of expert. I wonder if it sits in his house next to lots of fake Nazi jackets, helmets, and the Hitler diaries...
http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00CZfl
http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00CZfl
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
This guy is a troll. Nobody could fall for that one!
Terence T
Where'd my Bessa go?
Haha, that was a hilarious thread. The guys at p.net sure don't go easy on the newbies... an out of luck newbie in this case. I wonder how much he paid for it.
reagan
hey, they're only Zorkis
Well no doubt the man will donate this rare masterpiece to a public museum for everyone to gaze upon and marvel at it's beauty. 
Surely "Frank" was just yankin' their chain. I mean, I'm a used car dealer's dream-come-true, but geez, even I get red flags by shiny stuff labeled "rare" on the Bay. In any case, it sure brought a hilarious barrage of encouragment from his brethren! ha!! Thanks for the laugh-link!
Surely "Frank" was just yankin' their chain. I mean, I'm a used car dealer's dream-come-true, but geez, even I get red flags by shiny stuff labeled "rare" on the Bay. In any case, it sure brought a hilarious barrage of encouragment from his brethren! ha!!
Thanks for the laugh-link!
reagan
hey, they're only Zorkis
... and by the way, I only gave $675 US for it.
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
I still don't know what to think of this "Frank". There were earlier replies that are now removed; I wonder what happened during the course of the day that made various entries get cleaned. Really, I still wonder, naivity, or troll?
Jan Cornelius
Member
Fools and Nazi's rush in ..... !!!
Implying what exactly ?
... I dispise the use of the combination "Fools and Nazi's" ... as long as you guys don't have your KKK and Guantanamo Bay thing sorted out yet, which if I may remind happens in a time when everybody in the modern world has abbandoned immorality, injustice and discrimination (read: the modern world!) I think it wise to think over once or twice and adjust your thread title to Fools and Americans..... And in this case using the "fools" adjoined to the american way of doing things today which is not any better than us Germans 60 years ago, at least Europeans/Germans learn from history, a state of mind which the Americans, today, obviously lack ......
Implying what exactly ?
... I dispise the use of the combination "Fools and Nazi's" ... as long as you guys don't have your KKK and Guantanamo Bay thing sorted out yet, which if I may remind happens in a time when everybody in the modern world has abbandoned immorality, injustice and discrimination (read: the modern world!) I think it wise to think over once or twice and adjust your thread title to Fools and Americans..... And in this case using the "fools" adjoined to the american way of doing things today which is not any better than us Germans 60 years ago, at least Europeans/Germans learn from history, a state of mind which the Americans, today, obviously lack ......
Fedzilla_Bob
man with cat
Jan, before this gets too deep, I don't think the reference was to a nation. Rather to an individual. I don't think the original poster here was taking a stab at Germans or Germany.
Please take care in making harsh comments about other cultures. Look before you leap.
This is just friendly advice. The original poster may not even be an American.
As you well know, defining others through gross generalities is only done in poor judgement. Please refrain from it here.
Please take care in making harsh comments about other cultures. Look before you leap.
This is just friendly advice. The original poster may not even be an American.
As you well know, defining others through gross generalities is only done in poor judgement. Please refrain from it here.
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Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Song: "Fools rush in"
Camera: "Nazi paraphenalia"
Buyer: fool; item: Nazi paraphenalia.
Title: idea/imagery amalgam.
Not intended: cultural-divided-induced misread which induces misinterpretation to mean that Germans are fools, and hence SS; thus driving to label all English-speakers as American, etc. etc.
So let's take a deep breath.
Camera: "Nazi paraphenalia"
Buyer: fool; item: Nazi paraphenalia.
Title: idea/imagery amalgam.
Not intended: cultural-divided-induced misread which induces misinterpretation to mean that Germans are fools, and hence SS; thus driving to label all English-speakers as American, etc. etc.
So let's take a deep breath.
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So let's take a deep breath.
yes, let's everyone take a deep breath...
joe
yes, let's everyone take a deep breath...
joe
Fedzilla_Bob
man with cat
If his post is real (not the camera), and he believes he has the genuine item, I feel badly for him. However, It is entirely possible it was intended as a joke or even a red herring.
What I wasn't able to tell from the thread was how much he paid for the camera.
What I wasn't able to tell from the thread was how much he paid for the camera.
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FrankS
Registered User
Jan Cornelius said:
Hello Jan,
I am German-born but have lived most of my life in Canada. The person who wrote "Fools and Nazi's Rush In" I believe does not endorse the beliefs of the KKK any more than you and I do, so you shouldn't use large brushstrokes and make generalizations about Americans yourself. There is a huge distinction between Germans and Nazi's. I can't think of too many positive things to say about Nazi's and if you can, then your politics are much different than mine and the person's who wrote "Fools and Nazi's Rush In."
Sincerely, FrankScheitrowsky
Paul T.
Veteran
I did feel sorry for the guy; but how can you have the nous to find a Leica-related site, yet not do a quick google to investigate the dubious item you're buying before you hand over the money?
jan, suffice to say I am not american, and was merely implying that I don't find buying 'Nazi memorabilia' a praiseworthy pursuit. I hope you'd agree. I have just read the Victor Klemperer diaries, an amazing, affecting work, and am well aware of the difference between Germans and Nazis. I made no insults regarding anyone's nationality, which would be out of place here, I hope you'll agree. Let's leave it at that.
jan, suffice to say I am not american, and was merely implying that I don't find buying 'Nazi memorabilia' a praiseworthy pursuit. I hope you'd agree. I have just read the Victor Klemperer diaries, an amazing, affecting work, and am well aware of the difference between Germans and Nazis. I made no insults regarding anyone's nationality, which would be out of place here, I hope you'll agree. Let's leave it at that.
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Socke
Guest
What I liked in the thread was " I know the difference between a fake Leica or a Russian copy !"
He is right on top! A nice Fed/Zorki/Mir/whatever is no fake Leica. It takes some work to make a fake Leica out of a genuine soviet Leica copy
He is right on top! A nice Fed/Zorki/Mir/whatever is no fake Leica. It takes some work to make a fake Leica out of a genuine soviet Leica copy
Andy K
Well-known
The behaviour displayed in that thread shows perfectly why I have never joined Photo.net.
Apologies in advance to any Germans reading the following for any terminology used.
Unless something is an SS item or a Nazi Party item, it is not 'Nazi' memorabilia. Much is simply from the German armed forces of the era, many of whom despised the Nazis and the SS.
My parents fought WW2 against 'germans, jerries and adolf' they rarely mention the war being fought against 'the nazis'. They never say 'a nazi bomb destroyed our chip shop' they say 'a german bomb...'.
It seems ludicrous to me to make illegal anything bearing markings from the german military of the WW2 era. Doing so will not change history. If we are to avoid a repetition of the past, hiding it away is not the way to go about it.
Btw, I do not collect such items, and have zero interest in such items. I simply despise censorship and historical revisionists. I also make a very clear distinction between the germany of 70 years ago and the Germany of today.
Apologies in advance to any Germans reading the following for any terminology used.
Unless something is an SS item or a Nazi Party item, it is not 'Nazi' memorabilia. Much is simply from the German armed forces of the era, many of whom despised the Nazis and the SS.
My parents fought WW2 against 'germans, jerries and adolf' they rarely mention the war being fought against 'the nazis'. They never say 'a nazi bomb destroyed our chip shop' they say 'a german bomb...'.
It seems ludicrous to me to make illegal anything bearing markings from the german military of the WW2 era. Doing so will not change history. If we are to avoid a repetition of the past, hiding it away is not the way to go about it.
Btw, I do not collect such items, and have zero interest in such items. I simply despise censorship and historical revisionists. I also make a very clear distinction between the germany of 70 years ago and the Germany of today.
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Roman
Guest
Andy, you are wrong! Anything that carries either a swastika or a the German Nazi Eagle with swastika is nazi paraphernalia - and anybody who collects something (official, public museums and historical research organizations excluded) with those symbols on it is at least very suspect - so the the thread title 'Fools and nazis rush in...' is more than correct, and frankly I don't get what Jan Cornelius got so worked up about.
May those scumbags who either make such nazi trash, or buy it, rot in hell!
Roman
May those scumbags who either make such nazi trash, or buy it, rot in hell!
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Roman
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Oh, and BTW, there is a huge difference between what the US are doing in Guantanamo Bay right now - yes, it is unethical, morally wrong, and against everything that the American constitution was intended to be by the founding fathers, but there is not even th slightest reason to mention this in the same paragraph with what the Germans (and Austrians - I don't want to exclude my fellow countrymen who were particularly zealous in following everything the Germans said) did 60 years ago - which was a, after all, the biggest crime in the whole history of mankind. Please keep your historical facts correct!
Comparing nazi crimes/the holocaust to other crimes against humanity (Stalinism, the killing of Native Americans by colonialists, etc.) is a typical strategy of revisionist neo-nazis, so you'd better be careful with that!
Roman
Comparing nazi crimes/the holocaust to other crimes against humanity (Stalinism, the killing of Native Americans by colonialists, etc.) is a typical strategy of revisionist neo-nazis, so you'd better be careful with that!
Roman
Andy K
Well-known
Sorry Roman, but you are wrong.
In Hinduism the swastika has represented two forms of Brahma. Clockwise it represents Pravritti or the evolution of the universe flowing outward & counter clockwise it represented Nirvritti the involution of the universe.
Are you saying the Hindu world is suspect?
In Hinduism the swastika has represented two forms of Brahma. Clockwise it represents Pravritti or the evolution of the universe flowing outward & counter clockwise it represented Nirvritti the involution of the universe.
Are you saying the Hindu world is suspect?
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Roman
Guest
Andy, the Hinduist swastika is completely different thing, and I thought it should have been clear from the context that I was referring to swastika-marked items from Germany from 1933 to 1945!
Roman
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Roman
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Oh, and BTW, I'm not for hiding those things either - I just hate private collectors & admirers of that stuff - that sh*t should be diplayed, but in the right context: that of inhumanity and mass murder!
Roman
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