For me photos have no value

FrankS said:
An analogy would be to buy a machine gun, but only use it in single shot mode. Who does that?
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Well, honestly Frank? Me. Ok, I'm prepared to be flamed here. ;)

I have only used the motor-drive function on a camera once... I've had them for years and shot sports for newspapers... but I only used it once: on a building implosion where I wanted a sequence of the collapse. BTW, the local newspaper (the second largest in the state) used my shots for that when all four of the fixed-point cameras they had set up failed.

Just because the camera has some miracle feature doesn't mean you should use it necessarily. I probably use my LCD more than I need to... but it's convenient. It also slows me down which can be good... or not depending on what I'm shooting. Invariably, the more you turn to automation, the more likely it is to fail when you need it the most; and the corollary to that is that the peak action always happens in between frames when you shoot on sequence. You're usually much better off to shoot manually and develop a sense of timing for the kind of shooting you're doing. Try different angles, lighting, and explore all the variables.. but absent specific requirements to the contrary, one or two frames per variation is sufficient.

Oh, and machine guns are a blast to shoot and the Thompson .45 really makes me grin... but the motto I taught my folks on the range was "one shot per bad guy."
 
hepcat said:
Well, honestly Frank? Me. Ok, I'm prepared to be flamed here. ;)

I have only used the motor-drive function on a camera once... I've had them for years and shot sports for newspapers... but I only used it once: on a building implosion where I wanted a sequence of the collapse. BTW, the local newspaper (the second largest in the state) used my shots for that when all four of the fixed-point cameras they had set up failed.

Just because the camera has some miracle feature doesn't mean you should use it necessarily. I probably use my LCD more than I need to... but it's convenient. It also slows me down which can be good... or not depending on what I'm shooting. Invariably, the more you turn to automation, the more likely it is to fail when you need it the most; and the corollary to that is that the peak action always happens in between frames when you shoot on sequence. You're usually much better off to shoot manually and develop a sense of timing for the kind of shooting you're doing. Try different angles, lighting, and explore all the variables.. but absent specific requirements to the contrary, one or two frames per variation is sufficient.

Oh, and machine guns are a blast to shoot and the Thompson .45 really makes me grin... but the motto I taught my folks on the range was "one shot per bad guy."
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Just say'n: if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. The features a tool has, influences (not determines) how it is used.
 
FrankS said:
Just say'n: if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. The features a tool has, influences (not determines) how it is used.
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My point, Frank, is that a camera needs to have a shutter speed control, aperture control, some kind of focusing system, and a way to indicate sensitivity of the medium to light. Past that, everything else is fluff... sort of like keeping your proverbial hammer in a velvet-lined box. It's pretty, it's cool to know that you have it, but in the end it doesn't really help you drive the nail any straighter or faster. You still have to be competent in wielding the hammer. I think that gets lost in some of the whiz-bang techno stuff today.
 
hepcat said:
My point, Frank, is that a camera needs to have a shutter speed control, aperture control, some kind of focusing system, and a way to indicate sensitivity of the medium to light. Past that, everything else is fluff... sort of like keeping your proverbial hammer in a velvet-lined box. It's pretty, it's cool to know that you have it, but in the end it doesn't really help you drive the nail any straighter or faster. You still have to be competent in wielding the hammer. I think that gets lost in some of the whiz-bang techno stuff today.
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Totally agree. The more the stuff the farther the photographer gets from the process. That's why I absolutely love my MM and it has to much stuff for my liking.
 
hepcat said:
My point, Frank, is that a camera needs to have a shutter speed control, aperture control, some kind of focusing system, and a way to indicate sensitivity of the medium to light. Past that, everything else is fluff... sort of like keeping your proverbial hammer in a velvet-lined box. It's pretty, it's cool to know that you have it, but in the end it doesn't really help you drive the nail any straighter or faster. You still have to be competent in wielding the hammer. I think that gets lost in some of the whiz-bang techno stuff today.
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So you don't use motor drive settings, is that a good or a bad thing?
Can you tell if a photograph has been taken in a motor drive sequence, and if not, does it really then matter?

airfrogusmc said:
I never use FPS. NEVER... I don't need it.

Us old Marines are of the one well placed round mentality.
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Likewise does not using FPS make you a better photographer, a superior technician? Why is this better.
 
I don't use FPS because a lot of time the real mojo is between the frames per second and I don't need it. I am constantly working on my timing and have been for a few decades. One well placed shot instead of the spray and pray...
 
bobbyrab said:
So you don't use motor drive settings, is that a good or a bad thing?
Can you tell if a photograph has been taken in a motor drive sequence, and if not, does it really then matter?



Likewise does not using FPS make you a better photographer, a superior technician? Why is this better.
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Yeah....I am not buying it either....another one of those just cause they don't do it lets look down on those who do things.

Case in point where I absolutely use a motor drive sequence:

1. On the back of "Photo-Moto" during a big a$$ bike race, 134 mile leg that went over two 12,000 foot mountain passes at speeds of up to 85MPH....in a 35 zone.

2. When my client is paying $2,000-$4,000 per hour for me to shoot out of a helicopter.

3. Any ski action that involves fresh pow and we can't do a second take.

Tools folks, these are tools for some and when only a flat head screwdriver will do, you don't go bragging that you don't need one and grab a butter knife.

I just got done shooting for a client atop a ski area, used medium format Infrared film, one frame at a time, tomorrow I might need to motor it...
 
Thats not it all. I am better without it. My choice. I don't look down on anyone for how they choose to work and with your post whose looking down on who...

Most of the work I do I don't get a second shot at it either.
 
airfrogusmc said:
Thats not it all. I am better without it. My choice. I don't look down on anyone for how they choose to work and with your post whose looking down on who...

Most of the work I do I don't get a second shot at it either.
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Ok, so with the examples I gave, would you use one shot and that is it? Because I do that a lot with film which I shoot a lot of for jobs. Most of the motor driven stuff is digital but once and awhile I will motor some film too, like using my 500ELX on an aerial shoot.

Not trying to call you out but your choice of not using multi-fps does not necessarily make those who do choose that to be inferior, especially when task specific. David Burnett would never harsh Bill Frakes mellow for using 10FPS when the time is right...

You follow me?
 
IMO, its a whole different ball game when someone is paying you to get the shot.

Many disagreements happen when participants are arguing at cross purposes.
 
JEEZE shoot how you want. I'll shoot the way I shoot. It's OK it will all be video streams soon so all you will have to do is point the camera in the right direction and someone half the country away will be finding the moment. Where did you read I said anyone is inferior because of anything? I just mentioned my choice, why I work the way I do and what I prefer. Never said what should be right for anyone else or that you were less or more because you don't work the way I do.
 
airfrogusmc said:
JEEZE shoot how you want. I'll shoot the way I shoot. It's OK it will all be video streams soon so all you will have to do is point the camera in the right direction and someone half the country away will be finding the moment. Where did you read I said anyone is inferior because of anything? I just mentioned my choice, why I work the way I do and what I prefer. Never said what should be right for anyone else or that you were less or more because you don't work the way I do.
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LOL, ok, ok....not trying to burry you man, just go back and read your posts leading up to this, they sound a little holier than thou-ish. This is a perfect example of why forums can be a time and emotion suck....misunderstandings and clashes..

I'm cryin' uncle here Mr....a former Navy man by the way...

airfrogusmc said:
I feed the family with this and have for several decades. See #82...
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Yeah....I don't think earning a living in photography is a very popular thing for most to read on photo forums...many don't want to hear it, trust me on that one...As much as I try to kid my self to the contrary, I'm pretty much hated here for it....:confused::(
 
I have 4 billboards going up next month in the Chicago area. One of my clients recently received a huge national award for two of their publications that I shoot. I'm just part of the team. I also have an exhibit at a galley in Chicago of my personal work opening on March 6th so why shouldn't I mention it. I do it everyday in some way and I have reached a certain level of respect with both my professional work and my personal work.

This ties in and brings us back to topic. I value my work as do my clients and the people that buy my work when I exhibit. Life is short and if you don't value what you are creating then again what is the point?
 
airfrogusmc said:
I have 4 billboards going up next month in the Chicago area. One of my clients recently received a huge national award for two of their publications that I shoot. I'm just part of the team. I also have an exhibit at a galley in Chicago of my personal work opening on March 6th so why shouldn't I mention it. I do it everyday in some way and I have reached a certain level of respect with both my professional work and my personal work.

This ties in and brings us back to topic. I value my work as do my clients and the people that buy my work when I exhibit. Life is short and if you don't value what you are creating then again what is the point?
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Totally out of respect, PM sent. Everyone else have a good night!
 
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