Frustrated Photo-dork needs Advice Badly

My advice several posts back was not entirely flippant. It's easiest to take pictures you like with a camera you like, and also, with a camera where you can be reasonably confident that if you can't get pictures you like, it's probably your fault rather than the camera's. Hence the advice to get an M9.

I'm going to agree with R, disagree with R, and then make an assumption based on nothing but assumption. It may be the OPs "fault".

Camera selection does make a difference.. up to a point.

M9 might not be the correct answer.

The problem may be a non-technical problem. All of the examples are interesting and beautiful but in a way that may not be achievable in Morrisville PA. TRAVEL MORE WITH WHATEVER CAMERA YOU LIKE THE FEEL OF BEST. That may be the best way to improve ones photography.
 
Second picture does not look right to me for a bright sunlight.

Do you use auto exposure, auto ISO, ... ?
If this this the case, then learn manual exposure and above all disable auto ISO. You also might want a basic lens (something like a 50mm f2) to learn about reducing depth of field.
 
ferider, if the OP's critical of minimal noise, I think the dust from scanning would drive him nuts.

jmooney, images look fine on the screen. If prints are coming out differently, then it's something to do with your post and print process. Also, like ferider said, there are some minor technical issues with focus and exposure (underexposed by 1.5 stops on the second shot), but the good news is that you don't need a new camera. As others mentioned, try varying your exposure; either by shooting manual, or by changing the EV bias.

Anyways, awaiting to see how your prints are off. --How large are your printing them and at what resolution?

(And redisburning, I don't understand your earlier attitude, but the OP's got some photos up--let's work from there.)
 
Two I had handy from yesterday.

This one has a lot of noise in it:
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More noise and when I tried to bring up the exposure it got noisier. Same happened with sharpening. This was shot in open bright shade.
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I've printed both of these at 8x8 and I can say that the prints match what you see above.

More thoughts coming in next post...

I don't see any noise in the first one, at least nothing that remotely comes close to ruining the picture. If it bothers you in prints, then you will have to pixel peep and use more noise reduction in Lightroom. Make sure you zoom in on the shadows and adjust the setting accordingly. The lighting is good in this shot, to reduce the noise you might consider overexposing a little bit and then reducing the exposure in lightroom.

Second photo has focus that is off, unfortunately it is hard to assess based on the LCD preview after taking the shot so you will just have to practice focusing the camera. If you are constantly missing focus, consider using a smaller aperture (bigger F number). The lighting is flat, and the composition is plain (compared to the examples in the first post). Bad input = bad output, you can fix it in post but it'll be a lot more troublesome.
 
Two I had handy from yesterday.

This one has a lot of noise in it:

Well, the second one seems to be out of focus, and underexposed and later raised to level, which would increase noise and make it look flat, and the first seems to have too much lighting contrast to get away without shadow noise (but apart from that, it is nicely exposed).

The real snag of course is that is that there are people in it, very much so indeed, while the pictures you like are somewhere between rural still-life and landscape - i.e. the very essence of unpopulated. There is barely any overlap between the lifelessness in these samples at the start of the thread and family snapshots, you'll really have to think hard to create a combination of genres which are that far apart.
 
Learn to expose to the right of the histogram - just google it. It will help a lot in controlling noise. Also, what ISO were these taken with? Both of those pics seem under exposed and the 2nd one is oof.
 
Ok, so I've read and reread all that everyone has written here and I genuinely thank everyone who has taken time to respond. All the comments have helped me.

-I know that gear isn't the problem. I have decent equipment. I wanted to stay gear neutral in my original post but I guess that didn't happen but I think it's natural that if the painting doesn't come out the way you had envisioned you should at least make sure there isn't anything obviously wrong with the brushes.....I threw it out there in case there was something obvious I was missing. I'm not so we can rule that out.

-Tripods - I have two, I honestly don't use them. I guess I put too much stock in the "IS-OIS-ETC and keep the shutter speed up" method and I need to start planting the camera on a tripod.

-If I going to continue with digital I need to up my skill level on the post processing side. I figured that with as easy as the digital world has made everything else in our lives, this shouldn't require this much work. False assumption/wishful thinking on my part. I stay true to what I said the original post that I wasn't looking for a magic bullet but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something either.

-I will admit I'm frustrated. I've been "in to photography seriously" for about 15 years now and expected I would be more pleased with my work by now. I know the majority of pics we take are not that great but I still expected better. I guess I haven't made all of my 10,000 mistakes yet.

-Expectations - I think mine are too high, or I let them get too high too often. I can tend towards perfectionism, usually to my determent, as I think has happened here.

-I've gone through my archive looking at most of my images this morning, with the new glasses of all your suggestions and looking for examples to post and looking in the light of "show me your images that aren't good" a lot of them turned out to be not that bad, on screen anyway (see above about expectations), however the prints still don't grab me but that's another story.

-I also picked out a group that were favorites and made prints of them as well (I've got this behemoth on my desk I might as well use it) and all the images I'm proudest of and whose prints please me ,with only a few exceptions, were MF film scanned by a lab. Those were the only prints who's sharpness, tone, and noise were as I envisioned them to be. I think it's interesting to note too that these were also taken handheld and not in the best of lighting conditions.

-On my example picture of what I like - I like all of them and didn't how similar they are till many of you pointed it out. From this I take my best course of action is to move to the UK where the lighting is more pleasing to me 😀😀 This was a very valuable lesson though to me about my personal aesthetics, I honestly wouldn't have said those images were similar. I need to look less and see more.

-In all this trial printing of things I also learned that smaller prints hide my problems...although I don't print bigger than 8.5x11 or 8x8 (I'm a square junkie) a 5x5 print of a questionable looking 8x8 can look very different.

-Baring your soul on a forum full of like minded people can be very enlightening and helpful. I honestly feel better about the whole thing than when I posted my original post.

Thank you,

Jim
 
Second picture does not look right to me for a bright sunlight.

Do you use auto exposure, auto ISO, ... ?
If this this the case, then learn manual exposure and above all disable auto ISO. You also might want a basic lens (something like a 50mm f2) to learn about reducing depth of field.

I shot the first program but the second in aperture priority wide open.

EXIF for #1:

Panasonic DMC-G2
Exposure 0.013 sec (1/80)
Aperture f/3.5
Focal Length 14 mm
ISO Speed 100

EXIF for #2:

Camera Panasonic DMC-G2
Exposure 0.006 sec (1/160)
Aperture f/5.6
Focal Length 33 mm
ISO Speed 100
 
And it takes guts to ask for brutal honesty from strangers, Jim. It's how we all get better. For the second photo, I'm guessing the camera metered off your daughter's t-shirt, which caused it to underexpose. Open shade at 100 ISO should be about 5.6/60.

Also, spring and summer are coming and there's bound to some mornings with mist. Wake up at dusk on a misty morning, drive to a historical part of town, and I'm sure you can find some scenes that suit your sensibilities.
 
jmooney,

Went through your flickr site. Your problem is not the camera at all... First change your subjects, get the G2 and get out of your house, look around to find some subjects, objects to interest you. Forget about format, size, ratio, etc. concentrate on the subject first and shoot from different positions and angles, as much as you wish so that when you come back to your computer there will be some worth to work on. Also ignore the automatic modes and try full manual so that you can be on total control of shutter speed, aperture and DOF too. The G2 is an excellent camera for these, you just need to use it more until mastering it. Do not leave everything to automatic control if you want to learn..

I am sure following a couple of days of practice you'll start to notice some differences..

Regards,

Bob
 
... what do you think of this?

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full size ... http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7069/6992897289_39f99fa7e4_o.jpg
 
OK, thanks for posting technical elements.

Please note first that I'm no photo guru, no professionnal, just a young hobbyist who likes to play with old gear (from the 30s to the 60s mostly). You can look at my Flickr to get get an idea of what I'm doing.

I think your problem is 50% the gear, 50% your skill. On both photos, you are trying to use a camera which has lots of bells and whistles, but lacks a "proper" lens. Again, please note I'm biased towards old-school fast prime lenses, like a 50mm 1.5. For me, a DMC-G2 is good for snaps, but here you would need a faster lens to get pretty results.

My point is :
- you should keep on using manual mode (or aperture priority)
- digital is not easier than film, you have to learn the basics of a good exposure to maximize the dynamic range. Only after you can try to post process.
- you could try something like a fast 50mm. It would not cost much, but I would really open your horizon.

To learn fast, keep it simple : manual exposure, fixed prime, and off you go.

Again, it's just my opinion...
 
I am not experienced with digital cameras but I hav used many film cameras in persuit of good photos. If you use a film camera (any at all) :

1. Film choice can be important. I prefer fuji reala 100 or kodak 100uc or fujihrome velvia ... So therevare chouces to be made.
2. Pick your sharpest lens. It makes a diffetence.
3. Use Tripod for highest sharpness. I also use a cable release if critical
4. Use a lens hood for better control of flare.
5. Play with control of out of focus rendering. This can create the illusion of 3d effect or extra sharpness of object in front.


I would just have fun and try thinfs out. You never know; your photos may beome much better soon.
 
Sure helped a lot!

Slight noise visible in full size (especially on the leaves). APS-C or FF would most likely not leave any noise here at ISO 100. Personally I do not consider the noise a problem here, but that is a matter of taste of course.

I can say that, yes I see the noise but the overall image is pleasing to me so it doesn't bother me. Do you know what I mean?
 
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