Fuji brand awareness - fw updates part of it?

[f16sunshine]

The bottom line is that some cameras come out with flaws and firmware is never released. Which digital camera has been perfect right from day 1?

My 5DClassic and 5Dii. I know tgere are updates but, I don't know what those do. They were perfect afaik from the start. Of course I only have one AF lens.

Your point is a valid one though. Many issues from other makers were not and will not be addresses ever (Hi Leica! ).

 

[jsrockit]

My 5DClassic and 5Dii. I know tgere are updates but, I don't know what those do. They were perfect afaik from the start. Of course I only have one AF lens.

Your point is a valid one though. Many issues from other makers were not and will not be addresses ever (Hi Leica! ).

The MKII seems loved, but the original one I could have sworn I heard complaints about the AF, etc. However, any review at dpreview has many Cons... not sure if that can be equated to unperfect though.

 

[jarski]

... Many issues from other makers were not and will not be addresses ever (Hi Leica! ).

well my Canon G1X never received any update to its flawed autofocus. probably Canon considers it too low end model to be maintained later in product life, even if there is no successive model. Leica M8 had been discontinued for a good while, and it still received firmware update to include latest lens profile and general improvements.

 

[burancap]

general improvements.

That should read: general fixes!

😉

 

[gavinlg]

My 5DClassic and 5Dii. I know tgere are updates but, I don't know what those do. They were perfect afaik from the start. Of course I only have one AF lens.

Your point is a valid one though. Many issues from other makers were not and will not be addresses ever (Hi Leica! ).

The original 5d had a mirror that used to come off in humid environments.
The 5dII had its share of corrective firmware.

 

[Spyro]

They released the xpro1 too early?
Geez, this camera was about 10 years too late, the previous window finder AF system in the market was the friggin Contax G, ffs
Not everybody wants to deal with rangefinders or mini-TVs, and we've been out of the market for about a decade, and you're telling me I should wait another couple of years just so I can get rainbow peaking? Are we for real???

 

[gavinlg]

They released the xpro1 too early?
Geez, this camera was about 10 years too late, the previous window finder AF system in the market was the friggin Contax G, ffs
Not everybody wants to deal with rangefinders or mini-TVs, and we've been out of the market for about a decade, and you're telling me I should wait another 2 years just so I can get rainbow peaking? Are we for real???

HAHAHA.

I think a lot of people bought this camera for the wrong reasons really… It is a) the only in built optical viewfinder interchangeable lens camera, and b) the only mirrorless camera with manual controls.

Things like colored focus peaking and minimum auto iso speeds are so secondary to the design focus of the camera its not even funny.

 

[Spyro]

Agreed
It's the tech comparison culture, we always have to compare things. Problem is you can only compare thise things that are common. When sth is not common, like an OVF, you simply have to ignore it, even if it's the one thing puts the camera in an entirely different category.

OVF is important, I can write a whole essay on why it's important. EVF is also very nice for some things, especially longer lenses, but none of the two is perfect for everything. And then we have that genious solution that combines the best of both worlds with literally the flick of a switch. Ignoring that simply because it doesnt compare well with other cameras and bickering over coloured pixels (because they are easy to compare), I dont know, it seems shortsighted.

It is a) the only in built optical viewfinder interchangeable lens camera

yes, in short(er): Windowfinder AF System
It's a WAFS camera 😀

 

[GaryLH]

They released the xpro1 too early?
Geez, this camera was about 10 years too late, the previous window finder AF system in the market was the friggin Contax G, ffs
Not everybody wants to deal with rangefinders or mini-TVs, and we've been out of the market for about a decade, and you're telling me I should wait another couple of years just so I can get rainbow peaking? Are we for real???

Ahhh.. Contax g which is actually the camera I preferred over the Leica m6 I had. I still have my g2. 😀. If I was not so lazy about scanning I would most likely still be using it more then I do now.

The xp1 does feel like the contax cameras.

Gary

 

[nongfuspring]

I agree with you on this post. Now what do you suppose that strategy is?
Maybe Gary has it right. Fuji has taken what could have been a shortcoming via need for software upgrades and... turned it into a slowly trickling tit that owners can not pull away from.
I'm certainly one of those.
The x100 is brilliant in it's current config. The Xp1 is getting really close and now can only be limited by it's Hardware (evf resolution/refresh rate and lack of the PD pixels for AF).
Any thoughts of leaving the system are outweighed by the IQ it delivers more than the tit theory… but! I do look forward to more improvements (and new lenses) !
Color FP at the very top of that list!

Hm, I think the goal of staggered incremental feature additions would be what you'd expect: brand awareness, customer loyalty, increased appeal to late adopters etc. etc. But really I don't know enough about the way the company works to make any valuable judgements about it.

All I know is that in the world of marketing that "mud sticks", and a less than favorable first impression is very hard to fix, which I think Fuji is a great example of. People still commonly mention RAW and AF problems even though both of these issues have been fixed in either software or new camera models some time ago.

 

[k__43]

fuji brand awareness ? killing Astia and Neopan400/1600 belongs to it too 😀

 

[willie_901]

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All I know is that in the world of marketing that "mud sticks", and a less than favorable first impression is very hard to fix, which I think Fuji is a great example of. People still commonly mention RAW and AF problems even though both of these issues have been fixed in either software or new camera models some time ago.

This is very true. Mud does stick. Perhaps Fujifilm's firmware strategy is the best way to offset a stained first impression.

 

[willie_901]

fuji brand awareness ? killing Astia and Neopan400/1600 belongs to it too 😀

Absolutely, but what percentage of digital camera buyers care about film?

Do other digital/analog camera brands spend a single penny of their budget on film production or even promoting film? If there is one, film users should buy their products.