fuji x-trans sensor poll

[aizan]

where do you stand on the x-trans sensor?

here's a poll on what kind of sensor you'd like in future bodies, divided by ownership of x-series cameras and sensor type.

 

[hkleinespel]

Choice 1.
No technical reason. I think you can get great IQ with any type of sensor...it's not THAT important...except if you are pixel peeping perhaps...
If the X-E1 had had a normal bayer+AA Filter sensor, I would have bought it anyway.

But I like the fact that the X-trans is different from the rest 😛

 

[Benjamin Marks]

What would it mean to have a Bayer array in front of a non-Bayer sensor? I don't get the question. Do you mean replace it with a chip that uses a Bayer array?

 

[aizan]

i mean using the same sensor, only swapping out the x-trans filter with a bayer filter.

 

[Darthfeeble]

I don't know if my camera (XPro1) is uniquely the problem or the sensor is in general but I can't get as perfectly clear a shot at the pixel level as I can with the X100. They look good until you blow them up quite a bit and I aspire to large prints. ACDSee seems to do a better job as did Capture One but I'm not buying a different program for each camera I buy.

 

[Darthfeeble]

I just saw that I flubbed the poll, I am an owner and I want a bayer sensor with the AA filter.

 

[semilog]

The best thing about the X-trans sensor is the extremely film-like noise that appears gradually as ISO is increased. No mottling and almost no chroma noise. It's beautiful. I would NOT want to trade to a Beyer array now that the major vendors of image editing software support the XTRANS.

 

[willie_901]

I voted for no change because I feel the system has unrealized potential.

The XTrans array is the first generation of an innovative approach to digital imaging. The demosaicing algorithms (even Fuji's in-camera rendering) are also first generation. As on-board and off-camera computing power becomes more practical, more sophisticated algorithms will take full advantage of the Xtrans array.

Given how well the XTrans performs right now, I believe it deserves further development.

I do not agree that crops or large prints are negatively impacted by the XTrans system. I do know that I must use entirely different parameters as well as a different LR 4/5 work-flow for parameter optimization with XTrans raw images. From my point of view, the main disadvantage of the XTrans system is different types of subjects require more diverse raw-rendering parameter settings compared to Bayer raw images. It is difficult to sort out fundamental problems with XTrans raw rendering from sub-optimal poost-processing techniques. It didn't help that the first ACR tools for XTrans raw were completely unsuitable for some images.

 

[xenohip]

I am not an owner and would prefer a monochrome (un-filtered) sensor.

 

[semilog]

So good I quote in its entirety.

I voted for no change because I feel the system has unrealized potential.

The XTrans array is the first generation of an innovative approach to digital imaging. The demosaicing algorithms (even Fuji's in-camera rendering) are also first generation. As on-board and off-camera computing power becomes more practical, more sophisticated algorithms will take full advantage of the Xtrans array.

Given how well the XTrans performs right now, I believe it deserves further development.

I do not agree that crops or large prints are negatively impacted by the XTrans system. I do know that I must use entirely different parameters as well as a different LR 4/5 work-flow for parameter optimization with XTrans raw images. From my point of view, the main disadvantage of the XTrans system is different types of subjects require more diverse raw-rendering parameter settings compared to Bayer raw images. It is difficult to sort out fundamental problems with XTrans raw rendering from sub-optimal poost-processing techniques. It didn't help that the first ACR tools for XTrans raw were completely unsuitable for some images.

 

[gavinlg]

The xtrans is way better than bayers of equivalent size. So little noise, such nice colors, heaps of detail. The only reason the IQ is a match for full frame bayer cameras is because of that Xtrans sensor.

 

[thegman]

I don't own a digital camera, but I like the idea of Fuji (and Sigma) making something different from the rest. Variety is almost always a good thing in any industry, and it's interesting to see what improvements people can come up with, other just bumping up the megapixels and ISO.

 

[willie_901]

The xtrans is way better than bayers of equivalent size. So little noise, such nice colors, heaps of detail. The only reason the IQ is a match for full frame bayer cameras is because of that Xtrans sensor.

Well the XP1 with the 14/2.8 outperforms the D700 with the Nikkor 16-35/4 G in a nit picking pixel peeping contest. But the D700/D3 sensor is dated and the Fuji has 4 more MP. The new cost and size/weight difference is striking though.

 

[gavinlg]

Well the XP1 with the 14/2.8 outperforms the D700 with the Nikkor 16-35/4 G in a nit picking pixel peeping contest. But the D700/D3 sensor is dated and the Fuji has 4 more MP. The new cost and size/weight difference is striking though.

I rate my 5d III better than the x-pro1 in terms of sensor performance, but the fujinon lenses are far more consistent than canon lenses, and the difference in sensor IQ is pretty negligible.

 

[SausalitoDog]

Change would be fine, but it should be FORWARD change not backwards.

I don't know what that would be, but it isn't back to samo samo...this is the coolest sensor I've ever used ...to date 🙂

 

[Godfrey]

You forgot my option:

"I am not an owner, and I couldn't care less what Fuji does with their sensor technology. Whatever they do, it would be nice if their cameras worked well with my image processing software. I might be more interested in them then. If they fix up the other ergonomic and use issues..."

 

[Swldstn]

Need another option in the survey

Need another option in the survey

I didn't select any option. The option I wanted was...

- I AM an owner and I want a 24 MP sensor with the Dynamic Range of Sony Sensor in the D7100. Like that one I'd like no AA filter with either X-Tran or Bayer

Of course I'd I can't say it better than my 5D Mark III or my 1D X until the focus speed and shutter lag improve. Had both the X-Pro1 and X-E1 and gave up the X-Pro1 because the OVF provided no focus aid capability so I always had to use the EVF to tell if I focused ok.

So even if the sensor doesn't get better get better AF speed, less lag in the EVF and if you keep the the OVF create some kind of range finder focus method.

That's my input.

 

[imhere]

I am not an owner but have used both the x100 and the XPro 1 but sold both as the focus was too slow, although I see now it has been greatly improved.

I like IQ from both of those cameras and at the moment I'm just waiting to see what comes from Fuji in the future regarding an Xpro 2?

I voted for the sensor to stay the same.

 

[GaryLH]

You forgot my option:

"I am not an owner, and I couldn't care less what Fuji does with their sensor technology. Whatever they do, it would be nice if their cameras worked well with my image processing software. I might be more interested in them then. If they fix up the other ergonomic and use issues..."

If u are complaining about not working well w/ adobe.. Then someone thinks they may have done something in their last fw update. On the other hand there are several other sw vendors which have done a much better job then adobe w/ the xtran sensor including capture one, RPP, aperture and iridium for example.

http://soundimageplus.blogspot.it/2...ampaign=Feed:+blogspot/pcppU+(Soundimageplus)

The only issue I would love for them to fix is to add a lock button on the exposure compensation dial. The other issues are all fw related and w/ each update they seem to be addressing many of the ones on my hit list since the xp1 was first released.

Hope u will give the camera a second chance one day...

Cheers
Gary

 

[semilog]

Adobe Photoshop and Lightroom, Capture One, Apple Aperture, and several other packages all support Fuji cameras with XTRANS sensors.

Whining about lack of support (which I did initially, too) has not been relevant for at least the last six months.