Fuji X100 Digital SOMETHING from Fujifilm

[Sonnar Brian]

I can only think of one other thing that I'd really like to see implemented in the hybrid viewfinder.

"This is a Simulation, This is only a Simulation" Put a CMOS Sensor where an RF patch would go, put an optical wedge in front of it, couple with a cam on the lens. Display the CMOS image on the EVF, optically overlaid with the OVF. It would make setting the horizontal alignment and vertical alignment easier...

 

[Frankie]

Would you get a fixed-lens RF such as a Konica S2 instead of the M3 and Summicron? It would cost less, has a great lens, and a great viewfinder. I still think of this new camera as a Fixed-Lens RF in the Digital Age. I like using Fixed-Lens RF's, but go back to the M-Mount and S-Mount cameras most of the time. But I've kept the Hi-Matic 9, "Panda" Canonet QL17l, and Waltz Envoy 35.

Brian, your are correct. The X100 is a fixed lens RF [of the 3rd kind] in the digital age.

To many, dare I say most, the M is also a fixed-lens RF. They could not afford another lens, the one they bought the camera with is therefore fixed.

Worse, the M is only a P&S...because they could not really see the frameline...so point and shoot.

 

[Sonnar Brian]

They may only have one lens because a couple of us have the rest of them...

60? LTM+M-Mount... I forget...

In fact, it might be an advantage that the 23/2 is built in. People will wait a while before taking it off and mounting on something else.

 

[akremer]

I'd pay up to $1200 without thinking. Any more and I'd have to think about it.

Yep.

Digital G2!

 

[Frankie]

I can only think of one other thing that I'd really like to see implemented in the hybrid viewfinder.

"This is a Simulation, This is only a Simulation" Put a CMOS Sensor where an RF patch would go, put an optical wedge in front of it, couple with a cam on the lens. Display the CMOS image on the EVF, optically overlaid with the OVF. It would make setting the horizontal alignment and vertical alignment easier...

How about simply projecting a centre patch of the electronic view into the OVF and see actual focusing...no cam, no wedge, no hardware.

 

[Sonnar Brian]

I had the EP2 out today with the Nikkor 28/2 today. Sun has set. Yesterday, had the EP2 out with the Konica 28/1.8. Quick-look "Pixel-Peeping", the Nikkor is better wide-open but the Konica focuses to ~7". By F4, both are tack-sharp. At F2, the Nikkor is tack-sharp. I can use LTM, M-Mount, Nikon S-Mount, Contax RF Mount, M42, Nikon F-Mount, Canon, Olympus, and Konica with it. I did not buy a Retina mount. 200+ lenses...

 

[Sonnar Brian]

How about simply projecting a centre patch of the electronic view into the OVF and see actual focusing...no cam, no wedge, no hardware.

The RF is more accurate for fast lenses up to about 2x magnification.

So when using with a 100mm focal length or longer, we'll switch over to the actual view from the CMOS Sensor overlaid on the OVF. We can magnify the image as well, like on the EP2. At 10x magnification, focusing is easy. In fact- Olympus should magnify just the center patch, and not the entire image as they do now. That way, get precise focus for the chosen spot, and use the rest of the image for framing. New take on SLR style focus aids.

Just Software.

 

[Frankie]

The RF is more accurate for fast lenses up to about 2x magnification.

So when using with a 100mm focal length or longer, we'll switch over to the actual view from the CMOS Sensor overlaid on the OVF. We can magnify the image as well, like on the EP2. At 10x magnification, focusing is easy. In fact- Olympus should magnify just the center patch, and not the entire image as they do now. That way, get precise focus for the chosen spot, and use the rest of the image for framing. New take on SLR style focus aids.

Just Software.

The X100 EVF panel is 800 x 600 x RGB @ 12u pixel size. 0.5X VF magnification makes the effective EVF pixel size 6u.

The APS-C sensor used is ~4000 x 3000. A 5~10X zoom centre patch is possible without interpolating the EVF pixels.

 

[dazedgonebye]

Several questions to ponder.

Will Kobayashi san (Cosina) maintain his commitment to not going digital?

When will we see the first X100 for sale in the classifieds?

Will it look really cool with a little brassing ... like an MP?

At 1000 posts for this thread do RFFers prefer talking about cameras to actually taking photographs?

How many times do I have to sell my Canon A620 on eBay to get the funds for one of these?

😀

No
24 days
No
Yes
About 14

 

[Frankie]

Several questions to ponder.

Will Kobayashi san (Cosina) maintain his commitment to not going digital?
😀

Kabayashi-San had never committed not going to digital. He was only said to dislike digital. I interpret that as the Japanese face-saving way of not saying he cannot because no doubt CV is still under a Non-compete clause for sub-contract building the R-D1.

I have been to Japan 22 times, and in 3 weeks the 23rd time. I worked closely with a number of Japanese for more than a decade...I am beginning to be able to understand what they are really saying or not saying.

I would expect the Head Bartender mentioning to K-San just about now that the X100 is burning up RFF...and K-San might just simply say ah-so.

 

[BillBingham2]

What about the idea of making the bright bar in the focusing range grow or shrink based upon the DOF provided by the aperture you are using?

That to me would be VERY handy.

Thoughts?

B2

 

[BillBingham2]

Pres K. might have a hand in this somewhere. Who knows perhaps he will be able to sell them in the rest of the world under the Voigtlander name?

B2 (;->

 

[Sonnar Brian]

What about the idea of making the bright bar in the focusing range grow or shrink based upon the DOF provided by the aperture you are using?

That to me would be VERY handy.

Thoughts?

B2

That should be easy- just a look up table based on F-Stop, translate to a graphic on the screen.

Or we'll put little moving tabs on the Electronic RF Spot...

 

[noimmunity]

I think it's for sure that there will be from Cosina a digital body taking M lenses, Keith.

Cosina has been involved with other makers aiming to deliver cameras that appeal to the passion of photography, such as the Bessa III and the Zeiss Ikon.

Fuji's commitment to bring this passion into the digital realm surely opens up the field. Cosina, in tandem with either Zeiss or Fuji, will step up.

Several questions to ponder.

Will Kobayashi san (Cosina) maintain his commitment to not going digital?

When will we see the first X100 for sale in the classifieds?

Will it look really cool with a little brassing ... like an MP?

At 1000 posts for this thread do RFFers prefer talking about cameras to actually taking photographs?

How many times do I have to sell my Canon A620 on eBay to get the funds for one of these?

😀

 

[Frankie]

What about the idea of making the bright bar in the focusing range grow or shrink based upon the DOF provided by the aperture you are using?

That to me would be VERY handy.

Thoughts?

B2

Bet on that happening...and easy to do. I had already posted a message in the Fujifilm web site.

In the software world, it is called a LUT [Look Up Table]. The GUI [the bright bar] simply represents the data.

This is why I smiled when many had complained that the lens had no DoF scale...why look anywhere when it is right in the VF?

 

[Sonnar Brian]

Looking at the image of the viewfinder, they already have a DOF scale for the chosen F-Stop. It's the white portion of the bar. Red line in center is the Distance set on the lens, white portion surrounding it is the DOF.

(from last page, without my added RF Spot)

You know, if they changed it to little red arrows, it would look just like a Kodak Retina lens on my IIIS.

 

[aad]

I wonder how many pages this topic would get if the thing looked like an Instamatic.

 

[Sonnar Brian]

If it looked like the Instamatic 500, I'd go for it.

http://www.camerapedia.org/wiki/Kodak_Instamatic_500

Selenium Cell for automatic battery recharging.

Nah- do away with the selenium cell, and use the space for the hybrid viewfinder. Focus, F-Stop, and Shutter speed around the lens.

 

[Frankie]

Looking at the image of the viewfinder, they already have a DOF scale for the chosen F-Stop. It's the white portion of the bar. Red line in center is the Distance set on the lens, white portion surrounding it is the DOF.

Right...Brian.

Now note the numbers and check against a DoF table for that focusing distance.

Much of the noise in this thread came from not looking carefully. I took much time compiling specifications from multiple sources first before my first posting. I dare say I have collected more data from images on the net that most...if not all.

 

[semilog]

If it looked like the Instamatic 500, I'd go for it.

pwnt.

Beautiful, Brian.