Fuji X100 Digital SOMETHING from Fujifilm

[Pherdinand]

And, i have fondled Zeiss engineers. (Just yesterday, as an example.)
They work for us. Make lenses for us.
hehe.

 

[Pherdinand]

PKR - I know the theory of the bayer filter, and pixel binning, and even the S/R senors (I have an s3 Pro) - I just dont grok it.....

Guess they didnt cover things like that in science class back in the early 70s - it is also part of the reason I back using film agan, I can understand it ( sort of... ;( )

Gary H

can you then, explain to me, the chemistry or physics behind the latent image on film?
😀

 

[PKR]

In theory, I agree. But as Yogi Berra said, In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they aren't.

For most people, including a majority of "amateur photographers" and a pretty large number of pros, the already available APS-C sensors provide more IQ than needed. As these sensors are continuing to improve, the need for FF equipment is, for most people, less and less pressing.


The sensor size in use by many pros is at the request of the client. Who generally know less about digital photography than many Pros. .. who know little. They just read the Ads. More must be better in all cases..

I think for most things an APS-C sensor is fine. Plus you have the added DOF over a FX sensor. A pal just bought a Nikon D300s and compared the output to that of his D2X. The newer, smaller sensor won out in resolution, during in situ testing.

 

[Gazzah]

Pherdinand - you are just nasty !
Maybe I should have said "Im more at home with film" - mind you Ive been in the IT industry for 30 years now - (and still dont trust those damn machines !) - so you would think Id like digital... I did try for 10 years to get on with it.. so gues Im a ludite curmudgeon techie !
Gary H

 

[PKR]

PKR - I know the theory of the bayer filter, and pixel binning, and even the S/R senors (I have an s3 Pro) - I just dont grok it.....

Guess they didnt cover things like that in science class back in the early 70s - it is also part of the reason I back using film agan, I can understand it ( sort of... ;( )

Gary H

Gary, try this site..

http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/tech/megapixel.html

 

[Gazzah]

PKR - at this stage Im quite happy with my limited knowledge of sensors - when someone with more know how tells me that some new camera has better rez, better IQ and better DR then I will go look at it . Im happy for them to be black boxes sitting in the back of the camera... Ive built calculators from components, heater controllers, even a darkroom timer/ controller for the enlarger - but there does come a time when you have to say "Enough" and admit that some things are just beyond worrying about !

 

[PKR]

PKR - at this stage Im quite happy with my limited knowledge of sensors - when someone with more know how tells me that some new camera has better rez, better IQ and better DR then I will go look at it . Im happy for them to be black boxes sitting in the back of the camera... Ive built calculators from components, heater controllers, even a darkroom timer/ controller for the enlarger - but there does come a time when you have to say "Enough" and admit that some things are just beyond worrying about !

Well then, I suggest, before buying a new digital camera, you test it to be sure it delivers what you want. The digital thing is technical, and a knowledge of what's going on can be helpful, but not necessary for producing great photos and having fun.

p.

 

[semilog]

Yeah! Mine has to be bigger than yours! 😀

AND, I have fondled 131Mp cameras and held court with Zeiss engineers...although I have never met Herr Doktor Kaufmann. 🙄

Yours are bigger. But ours are smaller: cryo electron microscopes in the labs of my collaborators with 4k x 4k (and soon 8k x 8k) detectors. The microscopes can easily see single atoms of gold. We use them for structural biology. 😀

 

[Frankie]

Well then, I suggest, before buying a new digital camera, you test it to be sure it delivers what you want. The digital thing is technical, and a knowledge of what's going on can be helpful, but not necessary for producing great photos and having fun.

p.

I know a computer geek who could spout off ad infinitum about any digital devices including sensors. He had not seen daylight perhaps for years, let alone taking a picture.

I also know a Leica collector who knows, or claim to know all Leica lenses ever released... His pictures on the wall are lousy...out of focus, unsteady, unsharp...so what is the point for having good lenses?

What is the point of having freedom if not living it?

 

[semilog]

PKR - at this stage Im quite happy with my limited knowledge of sensors - when someone with more know how tells me that some new camera has better rez, better IQ and better DR then I will go look at it . Im happy for them to be black boxes sitting in the back of the camera... Ive built calculators from components, heater controllers, even a darkroom timer/ controller for the enlarger - but there does come a time when you have to say "Enough" and admit that some things are just beyond worrying about !

I wish I still had the enlarger timer my dad designed and built -- analog dial, red backlighting, log2 rather than linear time scale.

I'd forgotten about that until just now. Thanks for jarring the memory bank.

 

[Frankie]

Yours are bigger. But ours are smaller: cryo electron microscopes in the labs of my collaborators with 4k x 4k (and soon 8k x 8k) detectors. The microscopes can easily see single atoms of gold. We use them for structural biology. 😀

Touché. 😛

 

[morgan]

Sensor size matters if you're in love with shallow DOF for one. Also, if you shoot weddings or anything where people want to print out the results, crop cameras involve cropping the images down to standard paper sizes. This is a huge drag, since a lot of images lose their original composition. I'm hoping to move from my 7D to a 5D because of this. Also, FF seems to deliver better higher ISO images. But it's a big photo world with room for everybody.

 

[ampguy]

it's not too late ...

it's not too late ...

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I wish I still had the enlarger timer my dad designed and built -- analog dial, red backlighting, log2 rather than linear time scale.

I'd forgotten about that until just now. Thanks for jarring the memory bank.

 

[Tompas]

(...)The only thing really new is the viewfinder and thats hardly anything stunning, (...)

I think it is nothing but stunning -- it's a revolution really. It's the beginning of the end of this whole absurd compose-by-staring-at-a-micro-TV-screen-an-arm's-length-away madness.

 

[robbeiflex]

...It's the beginning of the end of this whole absurd compose-by-staring-at-a-micro-TV-screen-an-arm's-length-away madness.

I hope so!

 

[Paul T.]

I think it is nothing but stunning -- it's a revolution really. It's the beginning of the end of this whole absurd compose-by-staring-at-a-micro-TV-screen-an-arm's-length-away madness.

It's easy to forget this point.

Today I was shooting in Dungeness, a beautifully desolate location.. using my GF1. Bright sunlight; screen absolutely useless. 35mm finder was better, but I always skew the horizon with it. The whole setup is just a compromise, which is pretty pathetic considering it costs £650 or so. The optical finder, even discounting the larger sensor, would easily make it worth switching to the Fuji for me (again, as long as the IQ and focusing are adequate).

 

[RayPA]

I think it is nothing but stunning -- it's a revolution really. It's the beginning of the end of this whole absurd compose-by-staring-at-a-micro-TV-screen-an-arm's-length-away madness.

I agree completely, and 'revolution' is the best word for it. The VF has be getting squeezed off of camera bodies in favor of something that forces the photographer to do something that is completely foreign. This is the single most important feature of this camera. If successful, I think we'll see a lot more VF's showing up on cameras and hopefully some exciting developments in both OVF hybrids and EVFs AND possibly a OVF hybrid vs EVF war that'll accelerate features and quality. 🙂


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[semilog]

The optical finder, even discounting the larger sensor, would easily make it worth switching to the Fuji for me (again, as long as the IQ and focusing are adequate).

I'm not worried about IQ.

It's a modern APS-C sensor, and Fuji has already published MTFs for the lens – it looks terrific, and I don't see Fuji as the sort of company that would BS on that score. Great contrast and resolution, low astigmatism, looks like a bit of field curvature but similar to (say) a 50 Summicron, and already at or near its optimum by f/4.

Unless that lens has horrible geometric distortion, it should be great.

The focusing is a total unknown and the major unresolved question.

 

[DNG]

I think it is nothing but stunning -- it's a revolution really. It's the beginning of the end of this whole absurd compose-by-staring-at-a-micro-TV-screen-an-arm's-length-away madness.

+3
OVF always allows a viewable way to compose when LCDs just can't be seen. (In bright or very low light) The G1 EVF has an auto-gain, so, when I use a legacy lens at f/11, I still have a bright image to focus with... but the OVF of my M5 is even better in low light.

I hope this will start a new trend in using E/OVF options in other cameras.

 

[Frankie]

I think it is nothing but stunning -- it's a revolution really. It's the beginning of the end of this whole absurd compose-by-staring-at-a-micro-TV-screen-an-arm's-length-away madness.

Amen...and for Paul T, it even has an artificial horizon and grid. 😀