Fuji X100 Digital SOMETHING from Fujifilm

Brian Sweeney said:
My expectations for this camera to replace a Leica are well founded and quite reasonable.

But I will still use the Leica Mini on occasion, even after getting the Fuji.
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I think Leica digital bodies are already pretty much beaten, its only the film Leica and the M lenses which has its hardcore crowd.

What I look forward to is a jump in image quality and sensor technology. I want to be able to shoot digital as if i shot Tri-X with the same latitude and dynamic range. I'm sick of always of underexposing to keep highlights in digital. if i could only get that shadow detail of film with digital while not losing highlight -i'd be very happy.
 
Film has a non-linear response curve that preserves shadow detail and highlights. Digital cameras need to implement something similar, non-linear amps, "something". I've used LOG amps after detectors and before the A/D to get a large range before. We need a film-like AMP.

Until then: use low-contrast lenses.
 
Okay- not as easy as low-contrast lenses.

Take a Foveon style layered-sensor, put high-gain on one layer, normal on the second layer, and an 8x ND on the third. Combine the outputs for an instant "HDR" image.

And if you insist on color, put the Mosaic filter on the top of the layered sensor.

Let's add that to the open-source camera. Which is a cool idea.
 
AF doesn't quite work

AF doesn't quite work

If you have 2 subjects with contrast against a whilte background, and want to focus halfway between the two subjects, you cannot do this without some kind of MF control.

With AF you can focus on subject A, the background, or subject B.

With MF, you can get anywhere in-between.

ebino said:
look here now, whats the difference between moving a ring to focus and pressing a button to focus? isn't it a little OCD, all this obsessing over manual focus.

when you photograph the camera should disappear. try to think like that, it might help. lol
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but HDR has never impressed me. Most HDR shots I have looked, feels like screen shot of a video game. I don't know if that's a good analogy but that's how my eyes sees it.

But then again maybe its not a technical question, its mostly metaphysical. One could say film has soul and digital doesn't.
 
Brian Sweeney said:
Okay- not as easy as low-contrast lenses.

Take a Foveon style layered-sensor, put high-gain on one layer, normal on the second layer, and an 8x ND on the third. Combine the outputs for an instant "HDR" image.

And if you insist on color, put the Mosaic filter on the top of the layered sensor.

Let's add that to the open-source camera. Which is a cool idea.
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I'm going to try to get a look at the current version. The design group is bigger than a year ago. They have a lot of backing .. I think Kodak is in for $$ too. p.
 
46MP it is.

And it will not look like any "FAKE" HDR image made from subsequent exposures. If you combine the layered elements correctly, will look much more like film. It extends dynamic range of the sensor array.
 
ebino said:
I'm excited as well and I will buy X100 for that rangefinder feel of it if nothing else, and if the OVF is really a let down i could use an auxiliary VF. I just hope the AF is fast, there is no shutter lag and image quality is on par with other DSLRs at this range.
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I recall reading more than one hands-on report saying the OVF is superb...open and bright. Why not, the technology dates back to Galileo.

Any AF is faster than me fiddling with the focusing ring back and forth.

Shutter lag is a different matter. In OVF mode, no shutter close/open operations are necessary...and should be as fast as the next camera.

IQ is unknown...but should be better than film users complaining about Walmart/Costco/CVS processing support.
 
Brian Sweeney said:
You too.

Start writing the driver software to combine the images from the layered Monochrome sensor.
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You had better assign me to hardware. SMD good to 2.5 Ghz with bench. I can draw to prototype specs. for tooling. I have a pal who will translate to CNC if it comes to that. My only current (not so current) code experience is with basic stamp & arduino .. no C++.

Mind you, I take pictures for a living.. the rest is hobby stuff these days. I do design and build a lot of photo related gear. Mostly for personal use. Occasionally "others" are interested..

p.
 
This thread has become so long that it's useless in terms of searching for anything. Seems to me there should be several new threads started on, say, the cameras actually known features and speculation about other ones; and I would highly recommend a separate thread on hacking the cameras firmware and hack-sawing it's hardware because, believe me, this for many, if not most, people is of limited interest.

—Mitch/Paris
Bangkok Hysteria Book Project
 
malland said:
This thread has become so long that it's useless in terms of searching for anything. Seems to me there should be several new threads started on, say, the cameras actually known features and speculation about other ones; and I would highly recommend a separate thread on hacking the cameras firmware and hack-sawing it's hardware because, believe me, this for many, if not most, people is of limited interest.

—Mitch/Paris
Bangkok Hysteria Book Project
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Ya, I agree. maybe we should let Brian or Frankie start a tech thread..
 
I used to have a fuji ga645 and if memory serves, it had framelines corrected for parallax and image scale ie the actual size of the frame changes as focus changes. Maybe I remember wrong and someone with a ga645 can confirm? But if fuji had that technology 10-15 years ago, I still dont get why it has to have less than 100% coverage today.

Re comparing AF with Hexar's AF, I'd say forget it. The hexar has an active multibeam system that focuses even in complete darkness without a hint of hunting. It is actually the only camera I've seen that does that, including pro DSLRs and what have you. And this is precisely why so many manual-focus die hards are happy to use it, because the camera will-immediately-focus-in the center-no-matter-what. So they follow the exact same routine as with an RF:
a) focus in the center and b) recompose. Except the Hexar does the (a) part for you, flawlessly and faster, even in no-light! No squinting through RF patches.

No idea how any C-AF camera will ever achieve this kind of responsiveness, regardless of lighting conditions.
 
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