Fuji X100 Digital SOMETHING from Fujifilm

Tom A said:
If the X 100 flies (and it seems likely that it will be a huge hit) - there would be even more incentive to develop a X 200 with interchangeble lenses, a 35/50/75 or 90 package!
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Tom,

While I hope this will happen I doubt it will have the same IQ as the X100. From what I have read and listened to from the cheap seats (the internet) the main part of the sensor that is customized is the lenses that take oblique rays of light and bend them just the right way to hit the sensor for the glass. Each of the other lenses (50,75,90) would have a different (though the 75 and 90 might not be that different) signature as to how oblique the rays are to the sensor. Me I'm hoping for a 75 or 85mm version. I think they can skip the 50, too close to 35 for my taste to make it worth carrying/buying.

B2 (;->
 
Back on topic.......

Five months was about the amount of time it took Leica to get the X1 to market after she was announced if I remember right.

B2 (;->
 
tom.w.bn said:
The video is really good but the girl looked even better live :) Talked with her about the camera but didn't get more details about how manual focus will work. So the video does not bring more information than I had before.
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At the end of the video, she talked about focusing the lens and actually rotated the focusing ring...which was what I wanted to know.

I had posted a question for you about 200 posts ago:

Does the adapter ring [apparently for mounting lens adapters] have a male thread on one end and a bayonet mount [inside/outside?] on the other?
 
tapesonthefloor said:
The material (data, framelines, horizontal line) superimposed on the OVF looks awesome, by the way. It's exactly as bright and clear as I imagined (hoped!) it might be.

/fanboy
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Many a hands-on report mentioned clear bright OVF, despite naysayers' pro-forma denouncements.

One report describe the camera as "solid as a stone", while another says "solid as a rock"...I had to take their impression as good-faith/valid.

I had compiled a lists of data and/or graphic objects so far imaged in various reports. It is obvious that the X100 has more features than we need.

The only dataset I was not certain about was a four-digit number next to "L/F" shown on the upper right corner. Since the camera accepts HC/SD, that number could be exposure remaining...in the thousands?, perhaps in JPEG. The "L" could be Large and "F" could be Fine...
 
Have you seen the DigitalCameraInfo.com First Impression Reviews? Page 4 of the review discusses the manual focus. Basically, they seem to be saying that you focus manually via the ring (which we knew already) and that you have a zoom box, peaking, and the distance scale in the viewfinders to aid focusing.

One thing I haven't seen is confirmation that the focus ring uses a focus by wire system versus a mechanically-coupled ring but I would assume by wire given the lack of a distance scale on the lens itself.

I think a digital version of a rangefinder manual focusing system, which some people have speculated about, is wishful thinking.

EDIT: The other thing I am curious about is whether peaking is displayed in the OVF as well as the EVF. I think it would be a hard trick to pull off to display peaking over edges of objects seen through the optical viewfinder unless they can overlay a small digital image (the "zoom box") over the optical image, which would be magnified and have the peaking as wlel.

tom.w.bn said:
The video is really good but the girl looked even better live :) Talked with her about the camera but didn't get more details about how manual focus will work. So the video does not bring more information than I had before.
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Frankie said:
At the end of the video, she talked about focusing the lens and actually rotated the focusing ring...which was what I wanted to know.

I had posted a question for you about 200 posts ago:

Does the adapter ring [apparently for mounting lens adapters] have a male thread on one end and a bayonet mount [inside/outside?] on the other?
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When you look at the on-top photos of the camera you see something that looks like a small welled indention 2-3mm behind the edge of the lens. She said that you can lock a 2nd lens in there. She said "lens" not "converer" but I think this means the same.
 
I think overlaying peaking onto the OVF is probably a bigger technical problem than instituting rangefinder triangulation focusing. But I guess there must be some manual focus aid in the OVF. So far there's little clue.

x100rumors is a good site summarising all these issues!
 
v_roma said:
Have you seen the DigitalCameraInfo.com First Impression Reviews? Page 4 of the review discusses the manual focus. Basically, they seem to be saying that you focus manually via the ring (which we knew already) and that you have a zoom box, peaking, and the distance scale in the viewfinders to aid focusing.

One thing I haven't seen is confirmation that the focus ring uses a focus by wire system versus a mechanically-coupled ring but I would assume by wire given the lack of a distance scale on the lens itself.

I think a digital version of a rangefinder manual focusing system, which some people have speculated about, is wishful thinking.

EDIT: The other thing I am curious about is whether peaking is displayed in the OVF as well as the EVF. I think it would be a hard trick to pull off to display peaking over edges of objects seen through the optical viewfinder unless they can overlay a small digital image (the "zoom box") over the optical image, which would be magnified and have the peaking as wlel.
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It was obvious from the start that you focus manually by turning the front focus ring. But no one can really say right now, what aid the viewfinder will offer for focussing. That's the point I wanted to learn at Photokina but didn't get a satisfying answer.
 
v_roma said:
Have you seen the DigitalCameraInfo.com First Impression Reviews? Page 4 of the review discusses the manual focus. Basically, they seem to be saying that you focus manually via the ring (which we knew already) and that you have a zoom box, peaking, and the distance scale in the viewfinders to aid focusing.

One thing I haven't seen is confirmation that the focus ring uses a focus by wire system versus a mechanically-coupled ring but I would assume by wire given the lack of a distance scale on the lens itself.

I think a digital version of a rangefinder manual focusing system, which some people have speculated about, is wishful thinking.
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I have studied every word, word-by-word in that report. It is one of two reports I trust...the other is a Spanish hands-on report translated into Googlish. However, seeing it talked about and positively by a Fuji person means far more.

Manual focusing could be by-wire, but more likely Internal Focusing. The distance scale is available in the O/EVF, along with DoF range. I don't understand why many are not happy unless the numbers are engraved on the lens barrel and that you have to take your eyes away from the VF to see it.

A conventional RF a la M-cameras is called a "parallax-wedge" in digital photogrammetry...faily easy to do. That, and/or a small focusing patch could well be superimposed onto the OVF, just like other dataset and graphics.

If Fuji offers a SDK, my gang could do the parallax-wedge App in a hurry...no R&D necessary at all.
 
I totally agree. I think that rangefinder-type focusing is wishful thinking not because it is necessarily technically-impossible, just because based on what I've read on the manual focusing (admittedly, not much), nothing would indicate that this kind of system was implemented in the camera on display at Photokina.

I also hope that there are some manual focus aids for the OVF. Yes, I think overlaying just the peaking "specks" on the optical viewfinder image would be basically impossible but it might not be impossible to project a small zoom box containing a magnified digital image showing what the sensor is seeing (with the peaking, of course).

PS: And thank you for the (unprompted!) plug, Paul :D

Paul T. said:
I think overlaying peaking onto the OVF is probably a bigger technical problem than instituting rangefinder triangulation focusing. But I guess there must be some manual focus aid in the OVF. So far there's little clue.

x100rumors is a good site summarising all these issues!
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Frankie said:
I have studied every word, word-by-word in that report. It is one of two reports I trust...the other is a Spanish hands-on report translated into Googlish. However, seeing it talked about and positively by a Fuji person means far more.

Manual focusing could be by-wire, but more likely Internal Focusing. The distance scale is available in the O/EVF, along with DoF range. I don't understand why many are not happy unless the numbers are engraved on the lens barrel and that you have to take your eyes away from the VF to see it.

A conventional RF a la M-cameras is called a "parallax-wedge" in digital photogrammetry...faily easy to do. That, and/or a small focusing patch could well be superimposed onto the OVF, just like other dataset and graphics.

If Fuji offers a SDK, my gang could do the parallax-wedge App in a hurry...no R&D necessary at all.
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Well, I hope they do offer an SDK and you can get the parallax-wedge thingamajig done :)

I'm not necessarily unhappy that the scale is not on the lens barrel but, to me, that is a clue that the focusing ring is not mechanically-couple to the lens. I find electronic focusing rings (e.g., Panasonic's m4/3 pancake lens) too easy to change accidentally so I hope there is some way to "lock" the focus for when you want to range focus.

Can you post a link to that Spanish article? I can read Spanish fairly well and would be curious to see what they have to say.
 
v_roma said:
.....but it might not be impossible to project a small zoom box containing a magnified digital image showing what the sensor is seeing (with the peaking, of course).
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I have actually commented on the possibility of a "zoom patch" a few hundred posts ago.

Essentially the EVF is 800 x 600 x RGB [sequential], or 1,440,000 total dots.

The sensor is ~4000 x 3000 pixels, or 12 Mpixel.

If the zoom function is limited to no interpolation, a 5X zoom is supportable.

Masking off the rest of the EVF digitally is simply turning the pixels outside of the patch off in the EVF panel.
 
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