Fujifilm discontinue variant of Velvia

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Those lovely hypocrites at Fujifilm are discontinuing variants of Velvia, whilst still continuing to champion their "Choose Film" community. They're getting rid of all their best lines 🙁

http://goo.gl/dsKbI
 
A great shame, but name calling does not help anyone.

I don't want to see Velvia versions be discontinued in any way, but companies are there to make money and serve their shareholders, not us.
 
thegman said:
A great shame, but name calling does not help anyone.
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Neither do abject lessons in fence sitting. You can't serve share holders if you don't have customers - its a symbiotic relationship, so I can't agree with that.

If people do not voice their opinion, companies, such as Fujifilm will continue to make decisions that will displease many of its customers (I am aware of the percentage of revenue that film provides to Fuji - 1% still does not mean a lot of dissatisfied loyal customers).

I concede that people need to buy the product and/or vote with their feet, however.
 
They wouldn't do this if there were a viable market for the products. Personally I never liked 100F, and don't use a 4x5 or 8x10 so won't miss Velvia 50 in those sizes...
 
Black said:
Neither do abject lessons in fence sitting. You can't serve share holders if you don't have customers - its a symbiotic relationship, so I can't agree with that.

If people do not voice their opinion, companies, such as Fujifilm will continue to make decisions that will displease many of its customers (I am aware of the percentage of revenue that film provides to Fuji - 1% still does not mean a lot of dissatisfied loyal customers).

I concede that people need to buy the product and/or vote with their feet, however.
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I 100% agree with voicing an opinion on this, it's possible with enough people making a fuss the decision could even be reversed. What I don't like is this business of calling the company names without considering the reasons behind a decision.
 
When my wife needed a P&S, I chose a Fuji digital camera for her....because I use Fuji film--a company with a reputation for quality film, should be able to make a digital camera with equal quality. Film customers may be a small percentage, but we also buy digital cameras for family, as well as ourselves.
 
thegman said:
I 100% agree with voicing an opinion on this, it's possible with enough people making a fuss the decision could even be reversed. What I don't like is this business of calling the company names without considering the reasons behind a decision.
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I have considered the reasons though - and, from a clinical business point of view, I would expect that it makes sense. I think what really galls me is the whole "Choose Film" community that Fujifilm champion, that completely flies in the face of such decisions.

As I said, if people don't want to lose such products, they need to buy them ( I liked the thread here for a "call to arms" for slide film) but in the case of these variants of Velvia, its too little, too late.

As an aside, I hardly shoot colour film, but I do love the look of Velvia and Velvia 50 was a nice option when abroad. I'll stock up, like I have with Neopan 1600, and when it runs out, it runs out. There is absolutely no milage in one person wailing and gnashing their teeth, so I'm not going to get stressed out over it. I did want to air my opinion though - which I have achieved, so all is good 😉
 
I do shoot large format, so it is a shame to see a great landscape film go, but processing large format color is a huge hassle.

If Fuji serves its core audience by keeping Velvia 50 in 35mm and 120mm, I will walk away from this content (this time).
 
I guess it is a case of not putting your faith in a company PR line but in what they actually do. That does not make it any less disappointing though.

Bob
 
Velvia 100F sucks compared to 50. However it's really sad that they are removing Velvia 50 in 4x5. A Velvia 50 slide in 4x5 (properly exposed) is something to see.
 
100F was always on the way out. It was an early attempt to get better skin tones while preserving some of the wild Velvia saturated magic. It was not very popular, because it was not as good for landscapes as Velvia 50 and not as good for people as Provia. Velvia 100 (no F) replaced it, and is better in most every way. If you want better skin tones than Velvia 100, use Provia. If you want the old-fashioned Velvia magic, use Velvia 50. It would make sense to eventually get rid of Velvia 50 and just keep Velvia 100, which is just as good but with a faster speed and much better reciprocity at long exposures. However, people love their Velvia 50. It's like the Tri-X of the film landscape crowd. Velvia 50 has a bit of reddish/orange skew that makes people look ruddy but pumps up sunrises and sunsets.
 
For clarity, an addendum to my original post. Velvia 50 is obviously (thanks to the updated BJP article) still being continued in 35 & 120 and this is somewhat of a relief to me, personally, however, ending any line of film is always sad and I, by no means, expect this to be the end of the line for Fuji killing off ranges of their (in some cases) lovely film. Bitter sweet.
 
When I saw Provia 100F out of stock at B+H this week, I had a hunch something was up, even though I think it was merely a coincidence, seeing as how that's not being discontinued. Very disappointing. Well, looks like I better start stocking up on it now. I've always thought it was the oddball of the Velvia/Provia line, but more film options is always better than less.
 
It's sad, but I cannot think that 100F was any popular really, I think most people used Provia instead.

I do have 20 rolls of 120 Velvia 50 (10 exp June 2012 and 10 exp Aug. 2012), they have been sitting in my freezer for well over a year already.
- My 9 rolls of 35mm velvias expired way back in 2004 (still good though)

Maybe it's because I don't shoot much landscape these days, but I do tend to use digital for colour (although I love the velvia look).

Not sure if I will miss it all that much (to be brutaly honest), I use mostly b/w film with analog. :/

Going to Turkey in a few hours and I am bringing as much slide and color neg for my 120 as possible (porta 160 and velvia 50), after that is gone, I seriously doubt I will buy more.
 
Velvia 100F had higher contrast the 50 or 100 while having muted colors - I never understood much why it was introduced. So if Fuji can save some overhead on this film and will keep the remaining (few) lines up - that is fine with me ...
 
As long as they have at least one color reversal, one color print and one black and white film available we will be ok.

I never understood the need for so many confusing offerings. With scanners we can adjust the output to suit anyway.

For projection, then we just have to take what we can get and make it work.
 
wblynch said:
As long as they have at least one color reversal, one color print and one black and white film available we will be ok.

I never understood the need for so many confusing offerings. With scanners we can adjust the output to suit anyway.

For projection, then we just have to take what we can get and make it work.
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I agree to an extent, although it would be good to keep a couple of different speeds too, like 100 ISO and 400 ISO. I think the worst part is the sheer uncertainty. Velvia 100 may be here now, maybe next year, maybe the one after, but then what? I think people take bad news better than they take not knowing.

I'd personally like to see both Kodak's and Fujifilm's film businesses run as independent companies, without the overhead of being part of a larger "strategy". Simple exist to sell and develop film, that's it.
 
Black said:
Those lovely hypocrites at Fujifilm are discontinuing variants of Velvia, whilst still continuing to champion their "Choose Film" community. They're getting rid of all their best lines 🙁

http://goo.gl/dsKbI
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In my not so humble opinion the real hypocrites are the people who whinge and moan about the demise of film, or a certain type of film, but don't actually use it. Are you one of them? How much 4x5 or 8x10 Velvia 50 or Velvia 100F have you used this year? If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. I don't shoot as much film as I would like, but I don't shoot digital, and use as much as I can afford (arguably, more).

It's easy to point the finger at Fuji but they are the ones who are still making transparency film. If you want to criticise one of the manufacturers you may like to start with Kodak, who have stopped making tranny altogether.

It's time for those who are as passionate and committed to using film as they say to put up or shut up. I am SO over these types of threads. Rather than whining about Fuji (who are still actually making reversal) why don't you shut the **** up and shoot some tranny instead? THAT would be doing something to help.
Regards
 
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