cmedin
Well-known
Just trying to answer Doug's search for a word (he used "diversity"). The pixel placement in the X-Pro1 sensor has higher entropy when compared to a Bayer sensor.
Glad to see sensor design follows the second law of thermodynamics.
rxmd
May contain traces of nut
Glad to see sensor design follows the second law of thermodynamics.
In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!
ferider
Veteran
Yes we do. 
Anyway, its a well defined term in information theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)). As are dynamic range and SNR, BTW. Were both entropy and dynamic range are measured in bits.
As a side note, there are many more parallels between thermodynamics and information theory. For example, if a manufacturer wants to convince you that a camera with, say, 8bits output (as in a JPEG file) has a dynamic range of, say, 12 bits, he is selling you a "perpetuum mobile". Any camera comes to mind ?
Of course, if you prefer Fuji's marketing speak of "more random", carry on
Anyway, its a well defined term in information theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)). As are dynamic range and SNR, BTW. Were both entropy and dynamic range are measured in bits.
As a side note, there are many more parallels between thermodynamics and information theory. For example, if a manufacturer wants to convince you that a camera with, say, 8bits output (as in a JPEG file) has a dynamic range of, say, 12 bits, he is selling you a "perpetuum mobile". Any camera comes to mind ?
Of course, if you prefer Fuji's marketing speak of "more random", carry on
Black
Photographer.
I'm really tempted by the XP1 and everything I've read about it seems very encouraging, but there is already, one small niggle...
With Fuji lauding this as an option for Pro's, do you think it would have been too much to ask to make it environmentally sealed? And the lenses, of course?
I mean, they might very well be, but it doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere, so I'm guessing not.
That would be the clincher for me, I think. Its quite miserable, weather wise, in the north of England for much of the year and I want to photograph in the rain and snow and hail with impunity, not have to hide my camera under my jacket, as I have to with my M8.2.
With Fuji lauding this as an option for Pro's, do you think it would have been too much to ask to make it environmentally sealed? And the lenses, of course?
I mean, they might very well be, but it doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere, so I'm guessing not.
That would be the clincher for me, I think. Its quite miserable, weather wise, in the north of England for much of the year and I want to photograph in the rain and snow and hail with impunity, not have to hide my camera under my jacket, as I have to with my M8.2.
Fez Parker
Member
random noise fuji x pro 1
random noise fuji x pro 1
there has been lots of discussion about 'fuji x pro 1' sensor and it looking more grain (film) like.'
well I have been using full frame sensors like this for YEARS, hp5,delta 100, tmax ..............
Fez.
www.fezparkerphotography.com
random noise fuji x pro 1
there has been lots of discussion about 'fuji x pro 1' sensor and it looking more grain (film) like.'
well I have been using full frame sensors like this for YEARS, hp5,delta 100, tmax ..............
Fez.
www.fezparkerphotography.com
there has been lots of discussion about 'fuji x pro 1' sensor and it looking more grain (film) like.'
well I have been using full frame sensors like this for YEARS, hp5,delta 100, tmax ..............
Ba dump bum crash...
anselwannab
Well-known
Wouldn't just saying a larger and smaller repeating pattern be enough to describe the Bayer and Fuju sensor patterns.
f6andBthere
Well-known
there has been lots of discussion about 'fuji x pro 1' sensor and it looking more grain (film) like.'
well I have been using full frame sensors like this for YEARS, hp5,delta 100, tmax ..............
Fez.
www.fezparkerphotography.com
In every thread dedicated to digital you get these posts where some die hard takes a minute out of their busy day to remind us all that they use and still like film ... and either points out that it is actually 'full frame' or has 'real grain!'
Well ... I'm off to the Maserati Forum to tell them about my new tractor!
rbelyell
Well-known
Film grain is random... i noticed that the fuji algorithm wasn't random as well. Honestly they're excellent at marketing (which is all the 'random film grain-like sensor' is) but seem to rush things into production. I hope the x pro 1 is different. Though the x100 has its place in my heart, Fuji is all show. The sensor itself, which is wonderful, is by sony. and the physical design of the camera is all fuji, that is to say they are responsible for difficult AF, poor menu layout, poor battery performance, poor manual focus, sluggish startup/read/write speeds, poor OVF/AF coupling, etc. But the size/sensor keep it up there as one of my favorite cameras despite the poor mechanics.
may i ask, if the sensor is by sony, why i cant get results like the x100's on a sony? the rendering is totally different, why is that? does fuji have nothing to do with this fact? and did sony make the lens on the x100? or was that some other cam co.?
N
Nikon Bob
Guest
In every thread dedicated to digital you get these posts where some die hard takes a minute out of their busy day to remind us all that they use and still like film ... and either points out that it is actually 'full frame' or has 'real grain!'
Well ... I'm off to the Maserati Forum to tell them about my new tractor!![]()
Didn't know Maserati made tractors!
Bob
I don't know about Maserati, but there is a Porsche tractor. 

clicker
Well-known
Sensor clean function
Sensor clean function
I am wondering if the X PRo will have a sensor clean function like the Nikon
DSLR have ?
Sensor clean function
I am wondering if the X PRo will have a sensor clean function like the Nikon
DSLR have ?
I am wondering if the X PRo will have a sensor clean function like the Nikon
DSLR have ?
Has some sort of sensor cleaning aid... not sure if its like Nikons.
DtheG
Established
Lamborghini
Lamborghini
Lamborghini do!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djc_ucl/390764628/
Lamborghini
Didn't know Maserati made tractors!
Lamborghini do!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djc_ucl/390764628/

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Focal Plane Circus
Member
New rule
New rule
Rule 822: No person shall post any John Deere, New Holland, Case-Farmall, Massey-Ferguson or Fordson images other than those taken with a Fujifilm X-Pro1. :bang:
New rule
Rule 822: No person shall post any John Deere, New Holland, Case-Farmall, Massey-Ferguson or Fordson images other than those taken with a Fujifilm X-Pro1. :bang:
Focal Plane Circus
Member
X-Pro1 wins 4 "best" awards at CES
X-Pro1 wins 4 "best" awards at CES
http://www.imaging-resource.com/pre...1-digital-camera-wins-four-awards-at-ces-2012 :angel:
X-Pro1 wins 4 "best" awards at CES
http://www.imaging-resource.com/pre...1-digital-camera-wins-four-awards-at-ces-2012 :angel:
Mcary
Well-known
there has been lots of discussion about 'fuji x pro 1' sensor and it looking more grain (film) like.'
well I have been using full frame sensors like this for YEARS, hp5,delta 100, tmax ..............
Fez.
www.fezparkerphotography.com
Since the X-Pro-1 was designed from the start as an APS-C sensor camera rather then just sticking an APS-C sensor in a 35mm legacy body its every bit as much a full frame sensor camera as any 36x24mm camera. Just like 645, 6x6, 6x7. 4x5, 8x10, cameras are all full framed despite not being 35mm.
Hopefully the stupid term full frame will one day vanish and we'll return to just saying one format is smaller or larger then another.
Rule 822: No person shall post any John Deere, New Holland, Case-Farmall, Massey-Ferguson or Fordson images other than those taken with a Fujifilm X-Pro1. :bang:

So, are these fancy tractors status symbols?
Focal Plane Circus
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