Fujifilm X-Pro3 Thoughts?

[peterm1]

As if it really matters ... but they need to keeping dangling that carrot!

This is true. But I am reconciled to it. I have written about this before - if the production line stop rolling the money soon runs out, the firm collapses and the cameras we take for granted no longer become available. That's the inevitable business model of any company that uses mass production. So they keep "dangling the carrot" as you rightly say. That is OK by me. If it were not for this model all cameras would be hand built by a highly skilled technician and cost what the latest Leica costs. This is not to say Leica is not affected by the same need for new cash flows - its just that the product cycle is longer and the product cost is inevitably higher with that model.

 

[gavinlg]

Basic chimping can't be done with this camera. Everyone laughs and mocks chimping but it is a fact to anyone who has watched someone with a digital camera: 99% of the time they take the shot and then review it on the back screen.


Just try doing that with this ridiculous design that the X Pro 3 has. You have to lower the camera, open the screen, and then review. Once completed you have to close the screen. Yes you can use the viewfinder, but that is not a common chimping method.


By any metric the X Pro 3 camera is waaay less flexible than the X Pro 2.

Have you used an xpro camera?

In optical viewfinder or EVF you can choose to have an image preview immediately after taking a shot. If using optical VF, the evf slide quickly switches in and you get a preview for 1.5 or 3 seconds or till you half tap the shutter. The whole thing is pretty instant and seamless and it's way better than having to remove the camera from your face.

So chimping is not an issue provided you use the viewfinder, and it's a viewfinder centric camera.

 

[B-9]

+1 ^


10char..

 

[Monochrom]

Is it full frame?

 

[ruby.monkey]

There’s still a joystick for navigating and buttons, dials, and rings for accessing popular functions.

... and they're on the X-Pro2. But taking away five buttons is still asinine. It benefits the manufacturer, not the user.

 

[ktmrider]

I suspect that all the nay saying will have little effect on sales. Nor do I understand how users are saying less capable than the XPro2. Again, not an XPro user but am stunned by the X100F so figure this new XPro is a showcase for the X100 upgrade.

Now, I don't chimp. I own the MP240 and X100F and do review the photos in the camera after a day shooting but I seldom, if ever, review photos right after I take them. My biggest frustration with the X100F is having to fiddle with the viewfinder vs LCD selector switch. I like the viewfinder but if I loan camera I am often putting it on LCD for others to use and I prefer to work the menu on the LCD.

Again, if I did not have too much money in cameras already I would be looking seriously at the XPro series.

 

[Archiver]

Dude.. Did Fuji toss your salad or something?

Chill. We understand you do not like it.

If Fuji tossed my salad, I'd be pretty happy, assuming Fuji was a sprightly young Japanese woman and not some grizzled grey haired old dude. 😀

 

[Archiver]

The only times i review images taken with an EVF camera are when I want to show clients, or I'm in downtime between shoots. The EVF image tells me right away if the photo is right, or close enough. Ironically, I mainly review images if I'm shooting with an OVF camera like a DSLR or rangefinder. The placement of the LCD on the X-Pro 3 makes no difference to me reviewing the images.

 

[Ste_S]

Basic chimping can't be done with this camera. Everyone laughs and mocks chimping but it is a fact to anyone who has watched someone with a digital camera: 99% of the time they take the shot and then review it on the back screen.


Just try doing that with this ridiculous design that the X Pro 3 has. You have to lower the camera, open the screen, and then review. Once completed you have to close the screen. Yes you can use the viewfinder, but that is not a common chimping method.


By any metric the X Pro 3 camera is waaay less flexible than the X Pro 2.

Should be noted that not everyone just uses the rear screen for chimping. If I'm out shooting on the street with mirrorless I'll probably be using live view on the rear LCD for shooting, just as much as the viewfinder. It's one of the best things for digital vs film in being able to choose how you shoot.

Take that away, and substitute it with a simulation reminder, and it's just going to make me want to shoot a film camera rather than the XPro3.

Rather than trying to make digital cameras into film ones Fuji, just bring out a new film camera already.

 

[olakiril]

Hopefully the wider view of the OVF includes an increase in the magnification.

Otherwise I will stick with my custom X-Pro1
https://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154737

 

[Archlich]

But will the 3 be able to take better pics than the 2?

Does it have a better sensor?
Does it have better af?
Does it have better film modes?
Does it have a better VF?

I don’t care about chimping because I don’t.

It will most likely sport the same package as the X-T3. If that is the case:

The new sensor isn't necessarily better than the old one (other than video specs);
It does have improved AF;
It does have an extra film mode;
It does have an improved OVF (more eye relief I assume).

But no, it won't take better pictures than the 2. It's just another camera...

 

[jsrockit]

But will the 3 be able to take better pics than the 2?

Does it have a better sensor?
Does it have better af?
Does it have better film modes?
Does it have a better VF?

I don’t care about chimping because I don’t.

They are already said yes to 2 of the 4 questions you have... we just don't have the answer to the sensor and AF. AF will be better... it's been 4 years and recent Fuji cameras are better in AF.

 

[jsrockit]

... and they're on the X-Pro2. But taking away five buttons is still asinine. It benefits the manufacturer, not the user.

I understand...but I do not use them. I also have the ability to adapt to my camera. But it's ok...you can choose not to buy.

 

[jsrockit]

It will most likely sport the same package as the X-T3.

I'm not sure that will be the case... because the X-T30 for $899 has that too. It'll be a hard sell if they simply have the X-T30 specs in a X-Pro3.

 

[Ste_S]

Makes you wonder what Fuji (and everyone else) are going to do to get people to upgrade given apsc sensor tech appears to have hit a ceiling for the time being.

I guess that's why they're doing the titanium body.

 

[Ted Striker]

Have you used an xpro camera?

In optical viewfinder or EVF you can choose to have an image preview immediately after taking a shot. If using optical VF, the evf slide quickly switches in and you get a preview for 1.5 or 3 seconds or till you half tap the shutter. The whole thing is pretty instant and seamless and it's way better than having to remove the camera from your face.

So chimping is not an issue provided you use the viewfinder, and it's a viewfinder centric camera.

Yes I have used an X Pro 1 and own an X100. I'm aware that chimping is possible through the viewfinder. The current sh!tstorm over this camera shows that the vast majority of people find this an unacceptable solution, as do I.

 

[Ted Striker]

I understand...but I do not use them. I also have the ability to adapt to my camera. But it's ok...you can choose not to buy.

You are free to not use buttons if that is your preference. Those who want to use them no longer have any option. You advocate for less choice for users? Fascinating.

 

[Ted Striker]

Rather than trying to make digital cameras into film ones Fuji, just bring out a new film camera already.

No argument there! I'd be all over a new Klasse camera from Fujifilm. Sadly, Fujifilm isnt interested in that.

 

[jsrockit]

Makes you wonder what Fuji (and everyone else) are going to do to get people to upgrade given apsc sensor tech appears to have hit a ceiling for the time being.

I guess that's why they're doing the titanium body.

Yeah, true... add to the aesthetics and make unconventional choices or keep adding more and more video features. I’ll take the former... though I’m not sure I am ready to pay a lot more for superfluous features. However, titanium is as superfluous as video for me.

 

[Brian Atherton]

Should be noted that not everyone just uses the rear screen for chimping...

I chimp rarely… mostly when out shooting I use the rear screen for checking focus with the magnifier facility and check the histogram for highlight exposure, both things I find rather difficult to do through the EVF.

The idea that if I want to do the above with the X-Pro3 I will have to flip a screen every time, is for me definitely a negative.