Getting a camera into a concert

Jake Mongey

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Hey,
tomorrow I am attending a concert and the usual "if it looks like an SLR its not allowed" rule is in place so my sony is ruled out however due to peoples general lack of knowledge of film cameras I plan to shoot film however what camera do you think i can get away with.

Canon 7
Rolleicord V
Mamiya c33

Also if anyone has some experiences they could share that would be great
 
In my experience, anything with a lens on that is bigger than a smartphone won't get past security, unless you succeed at smuggling it in. Unknown devices in general will get treated worse than cameras, and something as intimidating looking as a C33 might fare as bad as explosives belts or attack rifles...
 
I carry a smaller P&S, film or digital, into concerts, but one with a good lens that can take decent images. The Olympus Stylus has passed the occasional bag inspection without even a blink.

Of course you're not gonna get pro-quality shots, but they are good for decent casual stuff.

The first one below is a totally hail-mary over the head slop-shot, available light, on Fuji 800. The second one is as close as they would let me, as they moved the "groupie section" to stage right and had VIP seating front and center.

Incidentally, at the BB King concert, security did ask to see my camera (as I was shooting) and he said he was just checking to be sure it could not record video. He seemed amused when I told him I was shooting film. 🙂

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Canon 7 with the smallest glass you have mounted.

Do not try to hide it, keep it in your pack until asked to search, worst case argue the lens is not detachable.

I've never had trouble getting a Leica into any event.
 
Canon 7 with the smallest glass you have mounted.

Do not try to hide it, keep it in your pack until asked to search, worst case argue the lens is not detachable.

I've never had trouble getting a Leica into any event.

I have either the 135 3.5 or the 50mm 0.95 and thinking the 135 because its screw mount and i can demonstrate that there is no bayonet to remove it and try turn it
 
Places are a lot more lenient now that cell phone cameras have gotten so much better. Depends on the place though. Sometimes I am able to get my Leica M5 in. Other places won't even allow a tiny Olympus Pen D.
 
I once put a 90/2.8 in my sock and an M4-2 in my other sock for a U2 concert. Yeah, that was a long time ago...ran out of film, bummed one of the official photogs for a roll. 🙂
 
There are no guarantees. It can vary from venue to venue or even who you strike on the day. I tend to only bother trying when I'm going to something I'm fairly confident of getting a camera into either by prior arrangement or because of the location. Out of all the options I'm inclined to recommend the Rolleicord. Why?

(1)
Rolleis look old fashioned. Old fashioned is usually perceived as non threatening. And it is nowhere near as big and substantial looking as the Mamiya, as excellent a camera as the Mamiya TLRs are. It looks nothing like an SLR, either. I've had people mistake my Rolleiflexes for Box Brownies before (something I don't always take without umbrage, depending on how they ask!)
(2) Image quality. Granted, the 35mm rangefinder has a faster lens that will let you shoot in less light and there's no question this can be a considerable advantage for concert work. But the Rolleicord gives you a bigger negative to work with which can handle a lot more cropping, if needed, almost like a built in "zoom" (if your technique produces negs that can stand some enlargement). It's a 75mm lens, too, so you're getting more pull than a 50mm on 135 anyway. And if you'll be pushing some Tri-x, HP5+ or loading some Delta 3200 an f/3.5 will often (not always) be good enough, anyway.

If I was taking a 35mm RF, I would be inclined to want a fast lens on it. 135 gives you faster lenses, which is their strength in unknown/poor lighting. Not much point having a 35mm camera with a medium/slow lens fitted. May as well have that slow lens on a medium format camera and get a bigger neg, right?

After all this: whether you take the Canon or the Rollei, if your luck is just no good on the night, you may be knocked back, anyway. No guarantees. But if I couldn't smuggle something in I'd go with the "harmless, old fashioned film camera" approach, myself. If they're undecided, let them know it's an old film camera from the 1950s. If I wanted to pocket something and walk in, personally, it would probably be my Voigtlander Vitessa and 50mm Ultron. I can recommend them. 😉
Good luck!
Cheers,
Brett
 
There are no guarantees. It can vary from venue to venue or even who you strike on the day. I tend to only bother trying when I'm going to something I'm fairly confident of getting a camera into either by prior arrangement or because of the location. Out of all the options I'm inclined to recommend the Rolleicord. Why?

(1)
Rolleis look old fashioned. Old fashioned is usually perceived as non threatening. And it is nowhere near as big and substantial looking as the Mamiya, as excellent a camera as the Mamiya TLRs are. It looks nothing like an SLR, either. I've had people mistake my Rolleiflexes for Box Brownies before (something I don't always take without umbrage, depending on how they ask!)
(2) Image quality. Granted, the 35mm rangefinder has a faster lens that will let you shoot in less light and there's no question this can be a considerable advantage for concert work. But the Rolleicord gives you a bigger negative to work with which can handle a lot more cropping, if needed, almost like a built in "zoom" (if your technique produces negs that can stand some enlargement). It's a 75mm lens, too, so you're getting more pull than a 50mm on 135 anyway. And if you'll be pushing some Tri-x, HP5+ or loading some Delta 3200 an f/3.5 will often (not always) be good enough, anyway.

If I was taking a 35mm RF, I would be inclined to want a fast lens on it. 135 gives you faster lenses, which is their strength in unknown/poor lighting. Not much point having a 35mm camera with a medium/slow lens fitted. May as well have that slow lens on a medium format camera and get a bigger neg, right?

After all this: whether you take the Canon or the Rollei, if your luck is just no good on the night, you may be knocked back, anyway. No guarantees. But if I couldn't smuggle something in I'd go with the "harmless, old fashioned film camera" approach, myself. If they're undecided, let them know it's an old film camera from the 1950s. If I wanted to pocket something and walk in, personally, it would probably be my Voigtlander Vitessa and 50mm Ultron. I can recommend them. 😉
Good luck!
Cheers,
Brett

I was mostly considering the Dream lens I have for the 7 but It looks too big and bulky probabably so instead was considering the smaller yet longer 135. Anyone got rolleis into concerts before?
 
I'm not that crazy about being as old as I am, but I did enjoy being around before the world went rule crazy.
Here's a shot I took of Cream in 1968. With a 50mm lens. No press pass, no shoving, no pushing, nothing. The two guys taking photos at the front of the stage were not pros, just guys with cameras who wanted to get closer for a better shot. No problem. It's all cool, daddy!
Sorry about the motion blur, I was probably excited.

 
I was mostly considering the Dream lens I have for the 7 but It looks too big and bulky probabably so instead was considering the smaller yet longer 135. Anyone got rolleis into concerts before?
I have certainly shot at concerts with a Rolleiflex, but in those cases I, personally, had investigated in advance and ascertained that it was unlikely to be a problem. So that answers your question but is probably not much help.

One thing I always do is to do my homework ahead (of course you're doing this to an extent, now, by asking etc). But this venue (the arena?) should have a website. The concert promoters/ticket sellers should have a website. First up: take a look over these and see what you can find about precisely what is or isn't permitted in terms of cameras and photography. This information may or may not be easy to find, and may be a part of the ticket sales "terms and conditions" or "conditions of entry". Once you've referenced that you may have a better idea of whether anything is allowed at all and, if so, what.

Eg (I'm in Australia) and on a visit to an AFL game a few years ago nearly got refused entry to the oval by security. No professional cameras, they said. I was toting a 35mm EOS and Konica RF (I think). But I'd checked the venue website carefully beforehand, and politely pointed out to them that, there was absolutely no mention, on it, of a ban on camera equipment. That, and the fact I was using film, not digital (nobody uses film professionally these days, was my stance--I may burn in photo hell for my sins). They relented and let me in.

So: do some research: if answers are not forthcoming, email the promoters for more information. Explain your situation, frankly. If they advise in the affirmative that a Rollei/35mm RF/SLR is not a problem--print this and take it with you. If the condition is Eg: 'no SLRs"--either your RF or TLR should be OK. If it's "no interchangeable lens cameras" your Rolleicord is a perfectly legitimate candidate (I always fancied my Tele Rolleiflex because of this, for obvious reasons).

Worst case scenario it is going to save you pointlessly lugging a camera along that is not going to be passed through security, but the more information you have on hand, the better equipped you are going to be.

Of course if you know the artist this always helps. I've been able to shoot a few times simply by either knowing the artist, or, contacting them ahead of time and asking them, politely, if I could get some shots. But the bigger the act the more impossible it tends to be, to be able to actually reach the artist, of course, so...these things are not always possible.
Cheers
Brett
 
That's a great shot of the mighty Cream there Larry! I have a number of friends who get passes to gigs. I'm not that keen on their style, long lenses and crisp imagery. I much prefer a more gritty approach. Here's one of Nick Cave at Manchester Apollo, October 2013. I had no problem sneaking in my Contax T!

Nick Cave on film by Philip McAllister, on Flickr
 
I'm not that crazy about being as old as I am, but I did enjoy being around before the world went rule crazy.
Here's a shot I took of Cream in 1968. With a 50mm lens. No press pass, no shoving, no pushing, nothing. The two guys taking photos at the front of the stage were not pros, just guys with cameras who wanted to get closer for a better shot. No problem. It's all cool, daddy!
Sorry about the motion blur, I was probably excited.

Larry it was only Eric Clapton, what was there to get excited about? 😉

Uber cool, mate.
Cheers
Brett 🙂
 
Larry it was only Eric Clapton, what was there to get excited about? 😉

Uber cool, mate.
Cheers
Brett 🙂

Thanks, Brett. It was back when he was God, so I guess that was reason enough.
Here's another shot after I moved a bit closer.



Jack Bruce:



And the inimitable, if somewhat insane, Ginger Baker:



Good times were guaranteed for all.
 
I think ive decided, Ill be taking the rollei with a roll of hp5 at 6400 and the rolleikin adapter as i have no other film but tri x in 35mm at hand
 
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