Grainiest ISO 100 - 200 B/W Film

[DominikDUK]

Thank you Nokton I just followed the link to your Flickr site. Double-X sure looks beautiful.

Dominik

 

[rich815]

Late to the party, have not read whole thread but I'd throw out there Fortepan 200.

 

[mdarnton]

Double-X appears to have great tonal values, too. That might be a good choice.

 

[xayraa33]

Fomapan 400 is really 200 iso and a grainy film when developed in Rodinal.

 

[Roger Hicks]

The grainiest ISO 100-200 film is probably Foma 200, which isn't 200 except in speed increasing developers: its actual ISO speed in any developer is just about identical to Ilford FP4. Lovely tonality, too.

Cheers,

R.

 

[DominikDUK]

Rich815 fortepan is unfortunately discontinued and I don't do ebay but thanks.
Xayraa33 Fomapan 400 is definetely grainy, and can look great.
Roger I agree with you Fomapan has lovely tonality, is it in production again?

merci

Dominik

 

[HHPhoto]

Roger I agree with you Fomapan has lovely tonality, is it in production again?

merci

Dominik

Both Fomapan 200 and 400 are in production. But there have been QC issues with the 200 (and the R100).
Fomas QC is currently quite bad. I've also had problems with the 120 roll film (micro scratches caused by the cheap backing paper, and the adhesive strip at the end of the film was partly in the last frame).

Fomapan 400 at @200 and 200 @125 developed in Rodinal 1+25 are grainy. They will give you probably the look you want.
Same for HP5+ @200 in Rodinal.
Same for SFX 200 @125 in Rodinal.
As well as for Superpan 200 @100 in Rodinal.

Your question concerning Scala 200X: It is still available without problems. Due to an official statement from Fotoimpex stocks will last until 2017 (and a successor is in the works).
You can buy Scala 200X for example from
www.fotobrenner.de
www.fotoimpex.de
www.nordfoto.de
www.spuersinn.de

Cheers, Jan

P.S. Using higher temperatures (22°C, 24°C, 26°C) with Rodinal increases grain, too.

 

[DominikDUK]

HHPhoto the ongoing lack of Q.C. from Foma is really sad as I've quiet liked their films.

Thank you for the information regarding the availability of Agfa Scala.

Dominik

 

[HHPhoto]

HHPhoto the ongoing lack of Q.C. from Foma is really sad as I've quiet liked their films.

Well, yes Dominik, I could not understand their behavier, too.

Thank you for the information regarding the availability of Agfa Scala.

Dominik

You're welcome. As an Austrian you probably know that you can get the Scala developed at the German Scala labs (there are still also labs in the USA, France, Italy and Australia):
Phototechnik Berlin, Schloms und Schmitz, Bildmanufaktur München, Klaus Wehner and Photostudio 13.

You can also use Agfa Copex Rapid (highest resolution slide film), Retro 80S, Superpan 200, Retro 400S, Rollei IR as BW slide in the Scala reversal process.

BW slides projected on a screen are absolutely breathtaking. They have a character and tonality which is unique. You cannot get that with BW prints (as nice as BW prints are; I know I'm making my own in my darkroom 🙂)

Cheers, Jan

 

[DominikDUK]

HHHphoto I haven't used Scala since the demise of the old Agfa. I know what you mean aboutprojected B/W slides beeing breathtaking. Foma also offers a Reversal kit so you can develop your B/W slides at home, so does Kodak. 🙂

Dominik

 

[HHPhoto]

HHHphoto I haven't used Scala since the demise of the old Agfa. I know what you mean aboutprojected B/W slides beeing breathtaking. Foma also offers a Reversal kit so you can develop your B/W slides at home, so does Kodak. 🙂

Dominik

Dominik,
if you do self developing your BW slides than this two instructions may also be interesting for you:

http://home.snafu.de/jens.osbahr/photography/reversal_processing/osbahr_reversal.pdf

http://www.ilfordphoto.com/Webfiles/20114271220441194.pdf

And Photographers Formulary is also offering a reversal kit:

http://stores.photoformulary.com/-s...th/160773983/start/31/total/44/Categories.bok

Cheers, Jan

 

[DominikDUK]

Jan thank you for the documents, the first one was new to me.

Danke

Dominik

 

[HHPhoto]

Jan thank you for the documents, the first one was new to me.

Danke

Dominik

Gern geschehen Dominik, you're welcome.

As you as an Austrian understand German (even if it is "Hochdeutsch" 😀) you can find lots of very useful information about BW slides (and of course abot colour slides and projection) at the German slide film experts forum:

http://www.aphog.de/forum/viewforum.php?f=79

Cheers, Jan

 

[DominikDUK]

Jan of course I can understand "Prager Kanzleideutsch" also known as "Hochdeutsch" 🙂 I have visited the aphog forum a few times, but haven't registered yet.

Danke für den Link.

Dominik

 

[PatrickONeill]

I'd imagine pushing panF+ to 100 would be quite grainy. I might try that with my last roll of it as I find shooting it at 25 or 50 is too slow for me for my work.

 

[HHPhoto]

Jan of course I can understand "Prager Kanzleideutsch" also known as "Hochdeutsch" 🙂 I have visited the aphog forum a few times, but haven't registered yet.

Danke für den Link.

Dominik

As I am from north of the "Weißwurst-Äquator" you can more than I can:
If people from Bavaria, Austria and Swisse are speaking I often understand nothing at all because of their accent....😀.

Cheers, or as you probably would say "Servus", Jan

 

[DominikDUK]

I don't understand "schwyzerdütsch" really well either. Bavarian is understandable after all half of my family comes from Salzburg and the dialect is very close to Bavarian. But don't worry most of us don't understand the Hamburger dialect either. 😀

The Servus in Lower Austria sounds more like

Servas

Dominik

 

[sandermarijn]

sandermarijn forget my question after looking at examples I have to say the grain structure is absolutely hideous. Thank you for warning me.

I don't like it much either, but it is grainy for sure. There is grain an there is grain (read there is Kentmere 400 and there is Neopan 400).

Of course it's all very personal and fleeting- in 6 months time I may like it the other way round, who knows.

 

[DominikDUK]

Sandermarijn the Kentmere film has a grain structure only it's mother could love sandpaper comes to mind.

Dominik

 

[znapper]

Actually I found TMax 400 35mm @ 400 in Rodinal (1:50) to be pretty darn grainy with character.

I hear Tri-x + Rodinal also give "golfball sized" grain and upping the temperature will create even larger grain with Rodinal afaik.

I don't know about you, but I find most 400 ISO films in 35mm rather grainy and with character (exception is Neopan 400, which it just awesome and a character in it's own 🙂 ).