help me see the light...meter

JoeFriday

Agent Provacateur
Local time
10:28 PM
Joined
Jan 10, 2005
Messages
2,590
thanks to the relentless efforts by all you M3 owners trying to keep the value of your equipment up, you've convinced me I need one.. I also happen to be a big fan of Kiev 4A's (and perhaps someday the similar Contax models).. but what are these models missing? yes, a light meter

so I'm on the market for a nice handheld light meter.. my experience with them is nil, nada, zilch.. are there any affordable models with some sort of aperture-priority functions? is there any 'on the street' advantage to digital versus analog, or vice versa?

by affordable, I mean under $200

suggestions, comments?
 
Simple to use, relatively small and will give you flash capabilities if you ever think you may want that. I have the prior version, the 308BII or what ever. I took it out of the box put in a battery and didn't need to read the manual until later in the week. It is shutter priority, but it really isn't a big deal, you get a reading then can quickly and easily adjust the the aperture you want.

http://www.adorama.com/SKL308S.html

If you don't want flash capability you can get away for less $.

Also, consider buying used and save some more.

$200 though is enough budget to get all you need and more.
 
I bought a Soligar digital spot meter on e**Y for $76. Very simple - no bells and whistles. And that's exactly what I wanted. It's not very small, though.

I prefer spot meters because I want to know exactly what I'm metering. For light skin that is fully illuminated, I meter and open up two stops. Other times and take multiple readings and place things in zones.

Robert
 
Well, 200$ is quite a budget for a light-meter - you could get a new Gossen Digiflash or Digisix, or for much less a much bulkier (yet just as reliable) Gossen Lunalite/LunasixF/Profisix (be sure to get one that uses 9V block batteries, not mercury batt. as the 'regular' Lunasix - names also differ a bit between the US and Europe...)

Roman
 
Oh, and BTW, I prefer incident metering to regular reflected and spot metering - it is just so much quicker, and more accurate (with reflected metering you always have to do more thinking, because you have to account for the brightness of the metered object...)

Roman
 
If you want both incident and reflected readings, then as Roman said one of the Gossen models using the 9v batteries are hard to beat used. They are fairly large though. I have used the Gossens and they work well but I use a Sekonic Studio L398 mostly now. Bought it used. It is smaller and requires no battery. For $200 you have lots of choice so good luck in your search.

Bob
 
"...a nice handheld light meter... "

Do you like old school gear? Consider a vulgar old selenium meter. These early meters are powered by light, and don't need batteries. I have a couple of favorites...

Second-hand Weston Masters often sell on eBay for beer money- I paid $9 US for mine, before freight. Overhaul and calibration of an intact and working Weston should cost less than $100 at Quality Light Metric in California.

There were several versions of the Master, and the ASA ranges varied quite a bit. I've seen Master IIs that go up to only ASA 800 (like mine), and others that either deal with ASA 1600 or 3200. I think the modern ones go even higher.

Here's a website devoted to Weston meters: http://westonmaster.com/

Old Gossen Sixtomats are also neat; the ones from the fifties are tiny things, very durable, and dead simple to read and use. Very, very well laid-out scales, color-coded. A child can be taught to take and interpret reliable reflected readings with an old Sixtomat. (No shit. My father taught me to use his when I was about 8.) Five to ten bucks on eBay, in working condition. Quality Light Metric still services them, too. One caveat- some of them only read to ASA 400. If you're using pushed T-Max 3200 in dimly-lit bars, leave the vintage Sixtomat at home.

Sekonic's L-398 is a more modern derivative of the old Norwood Director cinematographic light meter. Again, selenium-cell, no batteries required. Pretty big ASA range, as I recall. Might still be in production, and there are plenty to be had on eBay, on trading fora, and at used camera shops and shows. More recent production generally equals higher price, though you should still easily find one in great shape and working accurately for under $200 US.

You mentioned some need for an aperture priority function- not sure what you mean, but both the Weston and the Sixtomat will offer a slough of of aperture and speed choices for a given reading, at a glance: 1/60th @ f5.6, 1/30th @ f8, 1/15th @ f11, for example. Westons in particular show an appalling spread of speeds and apertures, basically everything possible between f1 and f32, all at a whack. So, if you need to be shooting at f11 for whatever reason, there's your shutter speed for the given light, right in front of you.

Westons and Sixtomats (especially Sixtomats) are well designed for quick reflected readings, and are totally usable for incident readings with their respective proprietary diffusers in place. I think the L-398 is a better tool for incident out of the box- seems to have been designed for it.

If you can, handle a few before you buy, and go for one you find easy to READ.
 
JoeFriday said:
thanks to the relentless efforts by all you M3 owners trying to keep the value of your equipment up, you've convinced me I need one.. I also happen to be a big fan of Kiev 4A's (and perhaps someday the similar Contax models).. but what are these models missing? yes, a light meter

so I'm on the market for a nice handheld light meter.. my experience with them is nil, nada, zilch.. are there any affordable models with some sort of aperture-priority functions? is there any 'on the street' advantage to digital versus analog, or vice versa?

by affordable, I mean under $200

suggestions, comments?

Unless you want to use a flash mode (on which I think I do a manual calculation based on GN/distance), sverdlovsk -4 is hard to beat. It has both spot and incident modes, AND self-calibration. Very accurate. I got mine (a complete kit) for $28.00 plus shipping ($15).

pangkievrange
 
With reference to the Sverdlovsk-4 and other vintage meters mentioned...

I don't wish to be a naysayer, but the though occurs to me that these are older meters - some use selenium cells, some use no-longer-available mercury batteries, and although it may be possible to 'convert' them to use modern batteries in the latter case - they are still old.

I think the potential for unreliable behavior outweighs the advantages of low price.

When shooting with a vintage camera, as long as the shutter speed and aperture are reasonable, if I get my exposure settings correct, I should be fine. With a vintage light meter, if you have over or under-exposure problems, do you blame the camera or the meter?

My point is that it is good to have at least ONE set of variables you can trust with some level of certainty. A good modern meter, such the ones mentioned, will remove the uncertainty that wonky exposure resulted from wonky settings as opposed to a wonky shutter or aperture.

I'd advise, therefore, not to 'save money' on a vintage meter and get a nice new Gossen Digisix or Sekonic L-398 or VC Speed Meter II. Within your stated budget and not likely to be the cause of problems that might otherwise have you scratching your head and wondering if it is the camera or the meter causing the problems.

Just my 2 cents.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
I´ve been using an old Gossen Pilot II (mine is named Sixtino) and another old but reliable Gossen Luna Pro (the US version of Lunasix III). Both gave me excellent results and are cheap and easy to carry. They can be purchased for much less than USD200, and you would have no complaints at all. A Weston Master will also be a nice choice if the Selenium cell is OK., however no incident light metering is possible unless some kind of integration sphere is available. Another good choices are the Sekonic types , also under the budget limits. The Voigtländer clip on (also handheld) is another excellent choice, but is not a "vintage meter".
 
Sekonic L308B (and later models). Consistent, easy to use. Lasts a long time on a single AA battery. Fits in pocket nicely too (either shirt or pants).
 
Justin Low said:
Sekonic L308B (and later models). Consistent, easy to use. Lasts a long time on a single AA battery. Fits in pocket nicely too (either shirt or pants).
Seconded and I've even sat on mine without any issues other than an discomfort 😉
 
so far I'm leaning toward the L308 or Digisix.. but it's hard to digest all the options without having one to play around with

how about everybody send me one of theirs for a week to try out? 😉 pretty please?
 
Back
Top Bottom