Hold off on the M10, Konost coming end of 2017

John,

I think that Leica is a niche brand that has luxury buyers as part of their market. I have no interest in luxury products, but I am attracted to Leica products, both new and used. You do need the resources to afford Leica but simply because they cost more does not mean that you are purchasing simply for the status of ownership. There are brands that are based on simply luxury and I accept that, but I don't think its that simple with Leica. Their core is not rebranded cheap product, but products that cost a bunch to create, make, and support.

Joe

Joe, I understand. I wasn't trying to imply they are only a status object. There are better items to buy if you are only into that. I've used them myself and I'm not into luxury either. They offer a unique product and sometimes uniqueness costs extra. However, I believe it has positioned itself as a luxury brand (smartly).
 
As for Konost, I find it laughable that a MBA who likes cameras can really leverage that to compete in the market. Leica has been operating in this market for, what, 100 years and understands the reality of it. It is by all appearances a get rich quick scheme to bilk some venture capital guys out of a boat-load of money. Remember you don't need a product, just a pitch...

Kids with a dream, actually. Did you see the pictures of them on their web site?

MBA-Kids, in a balloon perhaps? 😀
 
It's a pun!

Okay, I guess. I was assuming he was calling it "Ferrania" because of the aforementioned Kickstarter. Some on this forum insist on saying Ferrania is never going to manufacture film because it's been delayed a while (despite them literally having a new [old] film about to go on sale, with the slide film from the KS coming soon now). Similarly, many are saying this Konost will not be manufactured due to [xyz]. That's what I thought the comparison was and wanted clarification, but perhaps I was wrong.
 
Examples are Red One Digital Cinema Cameras or Phase One (who bought a share of Mamiya Digital Imaging).

Phase One entered into partnership with Mamiya, then gradually took over the whole lot. As now Mamiya is finished as a camera producer, all is transferred to Phase One. But you are right, they succeed because they have a vision AND deliver.
 
How about "Ready for preorder in early 2016"? 🙄 Fast forward a year later, and there are only really bad renderings on their website.

I'll buy the Hermes special edition when it's out. 😀


Haha, good one!

You think Leica has ever invented anything to do with their sensors? I would love to hear what it is, seriously.

"We had originally planned to begin pre-order end of 2016 with the first deliveries around Q2 of 2017. However, in order to deliver the highest-performing image quality at a price range we felt comfortable with, we decided to switch to a custom sensor in all our cameras. This will push production versions of the Konost rangefinders to Q3-Q4 of 2017. We’re still working on releasing limited edition beta versions of the rangefinder in the first half of 2017."

I don't remember "ready for pre-order" as a promise but maybe I missed that.

They had oringally planned delivery in Q2 of 2017, and now it's back to Q3-4. Yeah that kind of delay is unheard of. I can see why you are so bitter.

I will be surprised and delighted if they come to production. 🙂 Even more so as it would show so many sarcastic, mean-spirted comments for what they are 🙂

There are unicorns, and there is tripe. 😉
 
They should not be sharing such poor quality renders of their product. As much as I would like them to succeed... everything about this seems like they are in over their heads.

The design/renders look like a 2nd year industrial design student made them. If they are further along, they should absolutely be updating the images because they instill no confidence.
 
It's a pun!

Ferrania is a toponym, like Greece, the country of the Greek speaking, or The Netherlands, the country of the Dutch speaking.
What Ko.Fe. is saying, is: «It's all Greek to me», or «It's all double Dutch to me.»

I don't know what toponym is. 😱
Ferrania as the current "development" takes hundred of pages on APUG, years of no real product and "finally" some terribly scratched not color, but bw film which looks suspicions to some film manufacturers as known film.
In comparison, where is single guy in Moscow who was able to make film in less time and it is available for sale and people are using it in Russia and Ukraine.

So, Konost is Ferrania to me.
 
"Arrested Development" is the "place" for Ferrania and Konost 🙂
One making short movies about film which not exists and writing about hard job at hundreds of APUG pages thread.
Another place is showing nothing but computer rendered images and talking about switching to better sensor.
It is all described in free on-line tutorials for new product developing, like IoT. The mistake is to trying to make it perfect, instead of releasing prototype and testing with market. But I'm not sure if both "places" are really into the "making" at all.
 
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