Homeowner's Insurance & Your Cameras

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I try to remember to bring this up at least once a year. Some of this advice is specific to the USA, sorry - but most should be useful anywhere.

Many of us own, er, more than one camera. Some of us have quite a few of them.

Are they covered by your homeowner's or renter's insurance?

We buy, sell, and trade with some regularity - do we keep an accurate record of what we have at any given moment? Receipts? Photos of our kit? And even assuming we do - is the information stored someplace OTHER than our home?

Insurance claims adjusters are lovely people - but their job, remember, is to adjust claims with an eye towards minimizing losses for their company. They'll never see YOU again after you get a check, but they have to deal with their bosses every day, and they have their own careers to look out for. In other words, if they can avoid paying a claim legally, they can - in fact, they must. It is not their job to 'make you whole', it is their job to protect their employer from excessive losses. It is YOUR job to make sure you are protected against perils.

You might want to consider checking with your insurance agent. I like to call mine at least once a year and just go over our policies. What's covered, what's not, what has changed for them or for me during the previous year. Your agent is on your side - he or she does not get put through the wringer if you have a big claim - it is no skin off their teeth either way - and they make money based on how much insurance you buy - so they are more than willing to sit down and work out your risk and discuss how much it costs to cover that risk.

It may not make sense to insure some things. I have a bunch of cameras, sure, but most of them are not worth all that much. I would not pay a huge amount to insure them all. But I would want to be sure that the cameras that I did pay a bit for are covered, and pay for additional coverage if not.

Some of us (not me, but some of you guys) have a bunch of very expensive Leica and other high-end cameras. Do you know what a red flag that sends if you call your insurance agent to report three M7 and four M6 bodies stolen after the fact?

It's like sending up big smoke signals informing them that you are comitting insurance fraud. I'm not saying they won't pay - I'm saying it sets off all the alarms they have. Same if you happen to have a Rolex collection and it gets nicked and they didn't know about it ahead of time. So get this straight with your agent BEFORE anything happens. Document with serial numbers, receipts, video, or whatever means they recommend.

You may also find that your standard homeowner's policy only covers up to a certain amount in any one category - for example, you may have a total coverage of over a million dollars, but only $5,000 for 'jewelry and etc' which includes cameras. If you make money with your cameras - even a little - they may consider them not covered at all. You can generally guy extended coverage, and your agent can tell you if you need it when you tell him or her what kit you've got.

Consider also the type of coverage. Some is 'replacement cost' and some is 'actual cash value'. With cameras, unless you can prove they appreciate and do not depreciate with time, you may find that if you have 'actual cash value' coverage and your thirty-year-old classic cameras get stolen, you get nothing from the insurance company - they 'have no value' according to standard depreciation tables. Hey, don't blame me, I didn't make up the rules. You may wish to make sure you have 'replacement cost' insurance - with that, the insurance company has to pay (minus your deductible) to replace like with like. This can mean replacing a classic M3 with another classic M3 in the same or very similiar condition, etc.

Likewise if something gets stolen from your car or your luggage on a trip - often it is the homeowners (or renters) insurance that covers the loss - but check with your agent, be sure!

I'm no insurance expert. I suffered a loss due to a flood a LONG time ago, and I never forgot it. Buy the insurance, folks. Make sure you know what it covers and what it doesn't cover - and what the limits are - especially for things like firearms (sorry), cameras, lenses, studio equipment, jewelry, and other small, expensive items.

Consider this - if you have 300 music CD's, that's 4 to 5 thousand dollars sitting there. Hard to believe, huh? What will your policy pay if someone breaks a window on your house, stuffs them all in a rucksack and runs away? Mine would only pay $1,000 - with a $500 deductible - until we addressed that.

Also remember you can use your cameras to document your OTHER belongings. One of the best uses for an old-fashioned safe-deposit box at your local bank is to keep receipts for high-dollar items and photos and other documentation of the small expensive things you may own. They're cheap too, by the way.

Also consider perils that might not otherwise be covered. No homeowners insurance in the USA covers flooding - you have to buy that from FEMA directly. Do you have it? FEMA says that 25% of their losses are in areas that have NEVER HAD flooding before. Being on high ground may not protect you, and if you're in a floodplain, you have to be crazy not to have flood insurance.

Here's a tip - most homeowners insurance does NOT cover water damage NOT due to floods, either. Like when a sewer backs up. But the law says they HAVE TO OFFER IT if you ask for it. So they don't tell you, you don't ask, and when the local sewer system backs up and makes your home rot from the foundation up, too bad so sad for you. I asked for it, my agent gave me a wink - "Most people don't know to ask for that, smart lad" and it cost a grand total of $35 per year extra. Remember, flood insurance from FEMA and water damage due to non-floods from your insurance company. If you didn't ask for it, you most likely don't have it...

Insurance doesn't cost much, and you sleep better at night. Most have it because if they have a mortgage, they have to have it. But the coverage may not be what they think it is.

OK, end of spiel!

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
Hey, I can actually add something worthwhile here...insurance is my "day job." 😀 I work for a large property insurance company in New England and it's my job to actually write the words in the insurance contract (hey, somebody's got to do it, right? 🙄 ) and get them approved by each state in which we do business.

Bill, Good advice in general...but be careful how you say it. If I may elaborate a bit further on one point that you brought up:

A homeowners insurance policy is a contract of adhesion between two parties (you and the issuing company) and, in exchange for your premium payment, its primary purpose is indeed to "make you whole" in the event of a covered loss (check the meaning of the word "indemnify"). Claims adjusters can only legally avoid paying a claimant if there is some doubt as to whether a loss is covered at all. Because the contract was drafted by the insurance company, and not the policyholder, any ambiguity is construed in favor of the policyholder. Hence, it behooves the policyholder to read his or her policy to become familiar with excatly what property is covered and what limits of insurance are available. Any company which refuses to pay a legitimate claim is guilty of bad faith, but it is also the responsibility of the policyholder to know what property is covered. Remember, the contract governs the behavior of both parties.

One other item of note: the typical homeowners policy (form HO-4, 5, 6 or 8) specifically excludes any property that is used for "business purposes" as defined in the policy. For those of you who are using any of your photo-related gear to earn money -- even if it's not profit or a part of legitimate, full-time job -- your insurer may consider that business property and will not cover it in the event of an otherwise covered loss. This could include not only cameras but darkroom equipment and even computers and phones, too. If you have ever sold even a single print your insurer may consider your cameras as "business property". As always, it pays to read your policy and contact your agent if you have any questions.
 
Chris,

Thanks for the clarification - as you noted, I'm not an insurance agent, so your advice will be better than mine.

Best advice in the world about insurance - have some.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

PS - In cases where one earns money with photography - what does one do to insure the cameras, etc?
 
Oh, by the way, I have Auto-Owners Insurance (strange name, but supposedly a good company) homeowners insurance. HO-5 I think? Replacement cost on a 80-year-old home of historic value. I had American Family - never, never, again.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
bmattock said:
Best advice in the world about insurance - have some.


You ain't kiddin'. 🙂

I may be wrong about this -- so if there's a working pro out there please jump in any time -- but if you're using your camera gear in a business, or to make money in general, I think you would want to purchase a specific articles floater along with a small business owner's policy. The specific articles floater would be used to cover your cameras, lenses, darkroom/computer equipment, etc. on a broad-perils basis at scheduled replacement cost with little or no deductible. The business owner's policy would provide business interruption coverage in case your equipment or studio was damaged (causing you to lose income) and liability coverage in case you were sued by a client or customer.
 
Thanks for all the info. I do have a "personal items" addendum to my Homeowners insurance -- it makes a big difference.

But I should go over the list once more and see what kind of coverage I have (cash or replacement cost, etc.) I think the only piece of expensive gear I haven't included in my policy is my 90mm Summicron-R --which I haven't used in months, but that's another rant.

Always good advice Bill. And thanks Chris, for adding and clarifying. I do remember having to clarify whether my equipment was for a business or not (which it isn't). I wish!
 
cbass said:
You ain't kiddin'. 🙂

I may be wrong about this -- so if there's a working pro out there please jump in any time -- but if you're using your camera gear in a business, or to make money in general, I think you would want to purchase a specific articles floater along with a small business owner's policy. The specific articles floater would be used to cover your cameras, lenses, darkroom/computer equipment, etc. on a broad-perils basis at scheduled replacement cost with little or no deductible. The business owner's policy would provide business interruption coverage in case your equipment or studio was damaged (causing you to lose income) and liability coverage in case you were sued by a client or customer.

Sounds like a good deal. I have a bridge policy on top of my homeowners (through Geico) in case my miserable neighbor kids beat each other's brains out on my front lawn and we get sued.

Business insurance is something I'll have to look at this year. I believe it would be a business expense and tax-deductible, so no biggy.

Thanks!

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
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If your homeowner's or renter's insurance doesn't cover your camera equipment at a sufficient level, you usually can purchase a "valuable items policy" (aka a "floater") to cover it. Again, though, you have to make sure you read the policy and discuss it with your agent to make sure you understand what it covers.

One relatively new gotcha is that many policies have not only a per-occurrence limit, but also a per-item limit. For example, your policy might specify that camera equipment is covered up to a limit of $5,000 per occurrence but $1,000 per item. So if you had a Leica outfit consisting of one body worth $2,500 and a couple of lenses worth $1,000 apiece, you might figure you're fully covered because the total is within the per-occurrence limit -- but if you had a loss, you'd find that the lenses' $1,000 value was fully covered, but your coverage on the body was limited to $1,000 because of the per-item limit.

Back when these limits were drafted, a $1,000 piece of camera equipment was very unusual -- but today, with the proliferation of expensive DSLRs and such, it's easy to run into the per-item limit. Your insurance agent may be able to suggest ways to handle this, but you've got to be sure you ask.
 
bmattock said:
... You might want to consider checking with your insurance agent. I like to call mine at least once a year and just go over our policies. What's covered, what's not, what has changed for them or for me during the previous year. Your agent is on your side - he or she does not get put through the wringer if you have a big claim - it is no skin off their teeth either way - and they make money based on how much insurance you buy - so they are more than willing to sit down and work out your risk and discuss how much it costs to cover that risk.

That's not true. Agents can receive bonuses from the companies they write for if their book of business has a low loss ratio. If your agent says your claim isn't covered and doesn't report it to your insurance company, that probably means that your claim will screw up his bonus. In that case, call your insurance company and report the claim yourself. Let your insurance company determine if your loss is covered. If it is, get another agent.

bmattock said:
...Some of us (not me, but some of you guys) have a bunch of very expensive Leica and other high-end cameras. Do you know what a red flag that sends if you call your insurance agent to report three M7 and four M6 bodies stolen after the fact? It's like sending up big smoke signals informing them that you are comitting insurance fraud. I'm not saying they won't pay - I'm saying it sets off all the alarms they have. Same if you happen to have a Rolex collection and it gets nicked and they didn't know about it ahead of time. So get this straight with your agent BEFORE anything happens. Document with serial numbers, receipts, video, or whatever means they recommend.

If your agent knows you have a Leica M7 and doesn't suggest an all-risk floater for your equipment, he or she is not giving you good service. Cameras, jewelry, leather coats, furs, lap tops, golf clubs, musical instruments, cell phones can be insured on an all-risk floater. If you accidentally drop your camera, the policy will pay to repair or replace it and there is no deductible. A standard homeowner's policy will not. Some insurance companies add the coverage to your homeowner's policy and others write it on a separate policy.

Here are the rates I pay per $100 for a personal articles policy:

Cameras.........................................$1 .32
Musical Instruments ........................ $0.52
Jewelry.......................................... $1.70
Sporting Goods................................ $1.60
Computers...................................... $1.25
Cell Phones..................................... $3.50


bmattock said:
... Consider also the type of coverage. Some is 'replacement cost' and some is 'actual cash value'. With cameras, unless you can prove they appreciate and do not depreciate with time, you may find that if you have 'actual cash value' coverage and your thirty-year-old classic cameras get stolen, you get nothing from the insurance company - they 'have no value' according to standard depreciation tables. Hey, don't blame me, I didn't make up the rules. You may wish to make sure you have 'replacement cost' insurance - with that, the insurance company has to pay (minus your deductible) to replace like with like. This can mean replacing a classic M3 with another classic M3 in the same or very similiar condition, etc.

That's what appraisals are for. You insure the camera for it's appraised value. If it's damaged and it can't be repaired, you get a check for the amount shown on the policy schedule.


bmattock said:
... Also consider perils that might not otherwise be covered. No homeowners insurance in the USA covers flooding - you have to buy that from FEMA directly. Do you have it? FEMA says that 25% of their losses are in areas that have NEVER HAD flooding before. Being on high ground may not protect you, and if you're in a floodplain, you have to be crazy not to have flood insurance.

I don't think you can get a mortgage for a house in a flood plain unless you buy flood insurance.

R.J.
 
RJBender said:
That's not true. Agents can receive bonuses from the companies they write for if their book of business has a low loss ratio. If your agent says your claim isn't covered and doesn't report it to your insurance company, that probably means that your claim will screw up his bonus. In that case, call your insurance company and report the claim yourself. Let your insurance company determine if your loss is covered. If it is, get another agent.

OK, I stand corrected. Would it still be fair to say that your agent is interested in selling insurance primarily, while the adjuster is more interested in limiting loss to the company?

If your agent knows you have a Leica M7 and doesn't suggest an all-risk floater for your equipment, he or she is not giving you good service. Cameras, jewelry, leather coats, furs, lap tops, golf clubs, musical instruments, cell phones can be insured on an all-risk floater. If you accidentally drop your camera, the policy will pay to repair or replace it and there is no deductible. A standard homeowner's policy will not. Some insurance companies add the coverage to your homeowner's policy and others write it on a separate policy.

Here are the rates I pay per $100 for a personal articles policy:

Cameras.........................................$1 .32
Musical Instruments ........................ $0.52
Jewelry.......................................... $1.70
Sporting Goods................................ $1.60
Computers...................................... $1.25
Cell Phones..................................... $3.50

It is possible that I have had a long series of bad insurance agents - I always have to ask to get the extra coverage, they never seem to suggest it.

That's what appraisals are for. You insure the camera for it's appraised value. If it's damaged and it can't be repaired, you get a check for the amount shown on the policy schedule.

In my case, it is stated value. I have too many low-cost cameras - valuable in aggregate, but I'm not about to pay $$$ per camera to have them tell me they're worth maybe $ each. I list them with serial numbers and full descriptions, no appraisals. But I have no Leicas.

I don't think you can get a mortgage for a house in a flood plain unless you buy flood insurance.
R.J.

Plenty of people have their homes paid for and live in flood plains. We've a few geezers here on RFF, I would guess one or two of them have paid for their homes. Legally, they're not required to have any kind of insurance at all.

And in any case - we have a lot of hurricanes here in NC - and we keep hearing about all the horror stories of the uninsured homes lost in the storms that come through here every couple of years.

We're in Zone X - we don't pay much for flood insurance. But less than 4 blocks from us is a park that was under 10 feet of water two years ago. We were not required to buy flood insurance - I think we're the only ones on our block who have any - the insurance people (BB&T, going through FEMA) had no idea how to rate our home, since there is no one near us with flood insurance.

And no one offered us water damage insurance - for non-flood water damage like sewers backing up, etc. They are required by law to sell it here in NC, but it is very cheap, and they just don't bother mentioning it. If you ask, then they sell it to you. If you don't, they don't.

In any case, are we not still agreed on the major points? A) Have insurance. B) Consider additional coverage if you have a camera collection or expensive kit C) Don't forget the flood insurance. I may have erred on some details - fair enough. But I think the major points are still valid.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
I have a "Personal Articles" separate insurance with State Farm, and they offer a replacement value no-fault insurance on my camera equipment. I had to have each item appraised by a camera repair person, and I pay a certain percentage (as mentioned above). A homeowner's insurance will not cover stolen cameras from a car, say, unless you prove that your car was broken into ... and so on. Once I had sea water damage to a camera and three lenses. They paid me the full amount after they investigated the cost of buying me replacement items. It is also deductible if you are a professional photographer and you cover your tools of the trade.
 
bmattock said:
OK, I stand corrected. Would it still be fair to say that your agent is interested in selling insurance primarily, while the adjuster is more interested in limiting loss to the company?

The agent works on commission and most likely receives bonuses for having a book of business with a low loss ratio. He typically will not know all the details about a policy like an adjuster. If an adjuster denies a claim for the wrong reason the company is estopped from denying it again. The insurance company adjuster is paid a salary. A public adjuster, who works for you, might charge 2% of the claim for his services.

bmattock said:
It is possible that I have had a long series of bad insurance agents - I always have to ask to get the extra coverage, they never seem to suggest it.

Don't feel like you have to be loyal to a particular agent. Some agents can just sit on their cans and let business come to them. Avoid them. They have no incentive to train themselves to be better than the rest.


bmattock said:
In my case, it is stated value. I have too many low-cost cameras - valuable in aggregate, but I'm not about to pay $$$ per camera to have them tell me they're worth maybe $ each. I list them with serial numbers and full descriptions, no appraisals. But I have no Leicas.

Your Pentax DSLR should be insured on an all-risk floater as well as your Fuji rangefinder, wedding rings and other high value items.



bmattock said:
In any case, are we not still agreed on the major points? A) Have insurance. B) Consider additional coverage if you have a camera collection or expensive kit C) Don't forget the flood insurance. I may have erred on some details - fair enough. But I think the major points are still valid.

If you want to protect your expensive camera gear against flooding, store them in Pelican cases. Agents might seem like your buddy but it's really all about them, IMO.

R.J.
 
RJBender said:
The agent works on commission and most likely receives bonuses for having a book of business with a low loss ratio. He typically will not know all the details about a policy like an adjuster. If an adjuster denies a claim for the wrong reason the company is estopped from denying it again. The insurance company adjuster is paid a salary. A public adjuster, who works for you, might charge 2% of the claim for his services.

Interesting - I never heard of a public adjuster. Goes to show how little I know about insurance, eh?

Don't feel like you have to be loyal to a particular agent. Some agents can just sit on their cans and let business come to them. Avoid them. They have no incentive to train themselves to be better than the rest.

We have some kind of special historic home coverage - only like three companies in the USA sell it. The deal is that we're insured at WAY over the appraisal value of the home - but if it were to be destroyed, say in a fire, there would be no way we'd be allowed to build a modern-looking replacement home on the lot in our historic neighborhood. We want the house rebuilt just exactly as it was, no matter the cost. To modern code, yes, but otherwise stick by stick the same. Even creaks in the floorboards.

People around here don't value the old homes - my coworkers think I'm nuts to live in an 'old' house when there are 'new' houses available for the same money. Insurance companies tend to think that a $$$ dollar historic home is effectively made good by providing a ready-built stick house that appraises for $$$ in a neighborhood with no trees.

Your Pentax DSLR should be insured on an all-risk floater as well as your Fuji rangefinder, wedding rings and other high value items.

I'm going to have to figure out how to get commercial insurance, since I do make money with my DSLR and even the big Fuji. I'm really glad that was mentioned in this thread, I'd hate to suffer a loss and not be covered.

If you want to protect your expensive camera gear against flooding, store them in Pelican cases. Agents might seem like your buddy but it's really all about them, IMO.

R.J.

Pelican cases? In a hurricane? Sure, the box would protect the camera. Now find the box. Prolly in Greenland, washing ashore. Have you ever SEEN hurricane damage up close and personal? The problem is finding the house first.

In any case, you sound kinda cheesed off. Something I said?

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
bmattock said:
I'm going to have to figure out how to get commercial insurance, since I do make money with my DSLR and even the big Fuji. I'm really glad that was mentioned in this thread, I'd hate to suffer a loss and not be covered.

I'm guessing that liability insurance for your photo biz with $1,000,000 limits will probably cost you about $250. All risk coverage on the cameras you use in your business, I'm guessing would be about $3.50 per $100 value with a $100 deductible. 🙄

bmattock said:
Pelican cases? In a hurricane? Sure, the box would protect the camera. Now find the box. Prolly in Greenland, washing ashore. Have you ever SEEN hurricane damage up close and personal? The problem is finding the house first.

I thought we were talking about sewer back up and flooding. Yeah, I lived in Mobile when Elana went through Gulfport and Juan hit Pensacola in '85. Homes built 100 years ago usually hold up pretty well through hurricanes.

bmattock said:
In any case, you sound kinda cheesed off. Something I said?

Shop around if you think your agent is giving you a line of BS.

R.J.
 
raid amin said:
I have a "Personal Articles" separate insurance with State Farm, and they offer a replacement value no-fault insurance on my camera equipment. I had to have each item appraised by a camera repair person, and I pay a certain percentage (as mentioned above). A homeowner's insurance will not cover stolen cameras from a car, say, unless you prove that your car was broken into ... and so on. Once I had sea water damage to a camera and three lenses. They paid me the full amount after they investigated the cost of buying me replacement items. It is also deductible if you are a professional photographer and you cover your tools of the trade.


Raid,
I have the same type of policy. The policy conditions say that any insured camera used for pay during the policy term is not covered. My agent checked a company underwriting guide which said that the cameras could ocassionally be used for pay and still be covered under the personal articles policy.

R.J.
 
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