palec
Well-known
This is huge test, thank you for doing this.
I have a question, like with Canon f1.4's there is also difference with both Nikkors, is it due to piece variations or are they of slightly different formula (like type I and II Summilux), I see in the list one was marked as Tokyo and second as Nippon.
Best,
Pal
I have a question, like with Canon f1.4's there is also difference with both Nikkors, is it due to piece variations or are they of slightly different formula (like type I and II Summilux), I see in the list one was marked as Tokyo and second as Nippon.
Best,
Pal
raid
Dad Photographer
This is huge test, thank you for doing this.
I have a question, like with Canon f1.4's there is also difference with both Nikkors, is it due to piece variations or are they of slightly different formula (like type I and II Summilux), I see in the list one was marked as Tokyo and second as Nippon.
Best,
Pal
Hi Pal,
One is Nikkor-S 1:1.4 f=5cm Nippon Kogaku Tokyo No. 18XXXX while the other is Nikkor-SC 1:1.4 f=5cm Nippon Kogaku Japan No. 387XXX
palec
Well-known
Thank you, I've just read that the later ones were made with larger elements. So it's true they are different.
raid
Dad Photographer
I had to label many negative files, and I chose a compact method that I was able to follow to distinguish between the lenses. Now, it is easy to explain any of the lenses.
raid
Dad Photographer
I wonder if such lens comparisons are viewed as very useful, somewhat useful, or not useful. They take a lot of energy and they also make some RFF members send out lenses at their expense. Are people actually benefiting from the images shown in the lens tests?
Maybe I should have a separate thread on this question, using a poll.
Maybe I should have a separate thread on this question, using a poll.
direwolf101
Well-known
Raid (and everyone else), these lens tests are terrific! Thanks for all your hard work. I find the results very interesting and useful. Cheers.
raid
Dad Photographer
Raid (and everyone else), these lens tests are terrific! Thanks for all your hard work. I find the results very interesting and useful. Cheers.
Thanks!
I have to admit that if it were not for some individuals writing me support emails and pm's in the past, I would not have done it again. I enjoy the testing since I am trying out a large variety of similar focal length lenses that I may never be able to obtain.
I started a poll to get some feedback.
horosu
Well-known
If I see and understand correctly, the Nikkor SC 1.4 (in "S"-mount, I presume) wipes the floor with the competition...
Somebody correct me if I am wrong.
Somebody correct me if I am wrong.
palec
Well-known
If I see and understand correctly, the Nikkor SC 1.4 (in "S"-mount, I presume) wipes the floor with the competition...
Somebody correct me if I am wrong.
Yes, that's exactly what I see, too.
ferider
Veteran
If I understand right, NikkorS is the new Millenium lens. When I looked at Raid's scans the newer Summilux and the CV Nokton performed similarly.
Roland.
Roland.
ampguy
Veteran
To my eyes
To my eyes
The CV Nokton is the best, the NikkorS seems to have an extreme unsharp mask applied, and the Summilux is soft and has a different signature around the background window than the others, not bad, just different.
The SonnarC looks good too. Some of those lenses, I don't think were made for color use...
To my eyes
The CV Nokton is the best, the NikkorS seems to have an extreme unsharp mask applied, and the Summilux is soft and has a different signature around the background window than the others, not bad, just different.
The SonnarC looks good too. Some of those lenses, I don't think were made for color use...
If I understand right, NikkorS is the new Millenium lens. When I looked at Raid's scans the newer Summilux and the CV Nokton performed similarly.
Roland.
ferider
Veteran
The ZeissSonnar label above refers to an old LTM Sonnar, I believe, Ted.
Roland.
Roland.
ferider
Veteran
Candle Light at f2.8
Candle Light at f2.8
Also slower lenses included now.
Higher resolution pic in
http://ferider.smugmug.com/gallery/5400486_MBmzg
This time, no additional filters were applied in PSP, just cropping.
Best,
Roland.
Candle Light at f2.8
Also slower lenses included now.

Higher resolution pic in
http://ferider.smugmug.com/gallery/5400486_MBmzg
This time, no additional filters were applied in PSP, just cropping.
Best,
Roland.
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ferider
Veteran
SummV1 above refers to the collapsible Summicron, SummV2 to the rigid/chrome.
Roland.
Roland.
raid
Dad Photographer
OK! Thanks Roland. Now it is clear to me.
I am assuming that we are inspecting the area around the flame of the candle. The smaller the halo, the better ....
I am assuming that we are inspecting the area around the flame of the candle. The smaller the halo, the better ....
ferider
Veteran
OK! Thanks Roland. Now it is clear to me.
I am assuming that we are inspecting the area around the flame of the candle. The smaller the halo, the better ....
And the OOF areas in the leaves are also quite telling, Raid.
Best,
Roland.
raid
Dad Photographer
And the OOF areas in the leaves are also quite telling, Raid.
Best,
Roland.
... and the colors, Roland.
The darker green foliage comes from the expensive modern lenses. The blue-green cast on leaves comes from the vintage lenses.
ampguy
Veteran
to me, the C-Sonnar (Roland/Raid - is this the new Zeiss one or an old LTM one?), the Summiluxes, and the Nokton 50/1.5 look good.
Am I correct in assuming the background was really green and not blue???
Am I correct in assuming the background was really green and not blue???
dexdog
Veteran
I was assuming that the colors are probably truest on the most modern, multicoated lenses.
fgb2
Established
Raid & Roland, thanks for all the hard work.
It does get a little confusing with so many lenses -- here is a legend based on the ones I sent to Raid:
Summilux_50f1p4_30 is the last pre-ASPH version Summilux (built-in hood), which means Summilux_50f1p4_71 is the first version Summilux.
CZJ_50f1p5_64 is a prewar Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar, uncoated, with "ears", S/N 2,076,264.
C-Sonnar_50f1p5_15 is a "modern" C-Sonnar by Zeiss in ZM mount.
ZeissSonnar_50f1p5_19 is a 2008 Zeiss Sonnar in Nikon RF mount, supposedly optically identical to the ZM C-Sonnar (although with 43mm filter size rather than 46mm)
NikkorS_50f1p4_7 is a Nikon Millenium 50/1.4 (2000).
Nikkor_50f1p4_65 is a black and chrome Nikon 50/1.4 in S-mount, S/N 396,265.
this means NikkorT_50f1p4_12 is an (early) Nikon 50/1.4 "Tokyo" in chrome.
Fred B.
It does get a little confusing with so many lenses -- here is a legend based on the ones I sent to Raid:
Summilux_50f1p4_30 is the last pre-ASPH version Summilux (built-in hood), which means Summilux_50f1p4_71 is the first version Summilux.
CZJ_50f1p5_64 is a prewar Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar, uncoated, with "ears", S/N 2,076,264.
C-Sonnar_50f1p5_15 is a "modern" C-Sonnar by Zeiss in ZM mount.
ZeissSonnar_50f1p5_19 is a 2008 Zeiss Sonnar in Nikon RF mount, supposedly optically identical to the ZM C-Sonnar (although with 43mm filter size rather than 46mm)
NikkorS_50f1p4_7 is a Nikon Millenium 50/1.4 (2000).
Nikkor_50f1p4_65 is a black and chrome Nikon 50/1.4 in S-mount, S/N 396,265.
this means NikkorT_50f1p4_12 is an (early) Nikon 50/1.4 "Tokyo" in chrome.
Fred B.
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