Nachkebia
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I have never sold anything enyway, I am just talking what makes leica brand different from others 🙂
How advanced will the M8 be?
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J. Borger
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Strange is not it? We have to defend ourselfs wanting an M8 instead of a Canon 5d ... "which is so great value" .. and full frame 🙄jaapv said:
IT's just rationalising choices or non-choices ......... we are guilty of the same behaviour but at least admit it.
What realy counts is 10 MP marks the end of the MP race .. for the sane that is. Other aspects become more important and come into play ...... i already reached the point with the R-D1, never used the 1Ds after it, never missed the additional pixels or felt limited because of the cropfactor....... never looked back: i simply take better pictures with my R-D1 and enjoy the use of the small camera much more than a 3 kilo DSLR.... that are the aspects that count for me.
The M8 will be my last camera for let's say ... 3-4 years.
Han
ampguy
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very likely
very likely
Maybe Leica should sell out to Panasonic or whoever while the value is still there? Maybe they should enter the SW plug-in market with an official Leica photoshop Plug-In so anyone can take "Leica Look" photos. Maybe they should bring in a team of Japanese manufacturing consultants like Porsche did in the '80s to save the company?
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Maybe Leica should sell out to Panasonic or whoever while the value is still there? Maybe they should enter the SW plug-in market with an official Leica photoshop Plug-In so anyone can take "Leica Look" photos. Maybe they should bring in a team of Japanese manufacturing consultants like Porsche did in the '80s to save the company?
NIKON KIU said:
jaapv
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NIKON KIU said:
I am, Mark is - twice, Han is and so are 33 that we know about on this forum alone. Canon and Nikon sell plenty of digitals at nearly double that price. Camera stores I know of have ordered a considerable number. There are billions of people on this world. If one in 100.000 orders one, it will keep the Leica factory busy for a long,long time.....
Bob Ross
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Your view of the global economic market dynamic as a war is interesting and one that I see on several forums. It brings images of corporate giants laying slain in the streets oozing green capital fluids😱NIKON KIU said:
If you looked a little deeper, you might see the dynamic cooperative agreement and interconnectiveness at play, but that doesn't have the drama value for forum topic discussions, as life and death stories do🙄
jaapv
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Bob Ross said:
That is really funny!
LCT
ex-newbie
Most of us 'Leica crowd' are RF users for whom DSLRs are hardly of more use than a cautery on a wooden leg.NIKON KIU said:
There is no choice for us out of film, R-D1 or M8.
So forget Canon and Nikon, they don't play any role here.
Unless Cosina/Zeiss awakes, the only possible 'ennemy' so far is Leica.
ghost
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leica: the camera you buy to sell!
Bob Ross
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One of the most curious things to me is why hasn't any mfr., other than Epson, created an optical viewfinder on a digicam that is an oversized window with a floating frame, even if it had less field than 100% framelines for safety. Take a digicam with a 35-105 (35eqv) lens and put a 28-84 window zoom finder and then put frame lines that approximate 33-100 (95%) that zoom along with the lens. All other features could stay "digicam". You would have a poorman's wantabe Leica.LCT said:
Is it out of respect for Leica or have the designers never looked through an M class Leica? I read that the demise of the optical viewfinder on digicams was a result of a survey of users, of course, the survey sample was thousands of teen aged Japanese school girls:bang:
Bob
dogless
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The difference being most of us buy used Leica equipment. Let the rich guy take the hit. I bought a used MP and used it for two plus years and sold it for 100 USD less then what I paid. It's like renting an MP for 40 clams a year. One of Leicas flagship products at a bargin basement rental price.jaapv said:
With the M8 the paradigm changes. Zeiss will come to market with a digital RF that equals or surpasses the M8 performance @ considerable savings. The M8 could very well be 'worth' less then half of the original purchase in little less then a year, and all but impossible to sell. The brand loyalty for Leica products will not hold up with the majority of present day Leica owners with respect to the digital electronic products. The smart buyer realizes that Leica is using an off the shelve CCD, the Leica 'look' can be had with Leica lenses on any quality engineered digiRF. Why buy a Leica product at such a high price when you'll be able to buy a Zeiss DRF within the year? Just because it says Leica on it? What's the ratio of Leica D-LUX 2 owners to Panasonic DMC-LX1 owners? The new digital rangefinder paradigm, same as the old one?
rvaubel
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dogless said:
Do you know something that noobody else knows? Clue us all in about the RD2...when is that coming out? I wished you would have informed us all about how long it was going to take Leica to release the M8 and I wouldn't have waited for a year to buy the RD1. To think I could have been enjoying my RD1 for almost 2 years instead of waiting!
When exactly is the Zeiss DRF coming out. What are some of its features? We all have so many questions, maybe you could start a Digital Zeiss thread. If this forum is any indication, we sure all luuuv to speculate.
Let the Digital Zeiss Thread begin !
Rex
J. Borger
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Here we go again .... "why should we buy this if we can buy Zeiss much cheaper"?
THis question can be raised for every single product on the planet ...... because we have a CHOICE!!!!
You guys are killing our economy with this way of thinking ... and the Japanese economy in the near future too ... all we need is some good cheap Chinese cameras!
For god sake .... i would perhaps not buy the Zeiss camera because it does not look as nice as a Leica ... the same way a Toyota does not look as nice as my Alfa Romeo! Yes both cars take me from A to B. And the Toyota is probably better value .... glad i have a choice in this world!
THis question can be raised for every single product on the planet ...... because we have a CHOICE!!!!
You guys are killing our economy with this way of thinking ... and the Japanese economy in the near future too ... all we need is some good cheap Chinese cameras!
For god sake .... i would perhaps not buy the Zeiss camera because it does not look as nice as a Leica ... the same way a Toyota does not look as nice as my Alfa Romeo! Yes both cars take me from A to B. And the Toyota is probably better value .... glad i have a choice in this world!
rvaubel
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rvaubel said:
I was being sarchastic. Maybe I should learn to use those smiley icons.
I was trying to make the point that if all you ever do is wait for the next latest and greatest, you will never actually get anything. I get my RD1 7 months ago and am glad I didn't wait for the M8. I expect to get the M8 too, and no, that won't make my RD1 worthless. I buy cameras to use them, not as investments.
Rex
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I'm a capitalist at heart. Yes, by all means buy what you will. I think it's great that people who bought 2500USD RD1s will be buying M8s at 5000USD a pop. The majority of potential DRF buyers (according to the RFF survey) will be sitting on the fence choosing perhaps to wait for another choice to become available. How long they'll have to wait, not whether there will be an alternative model, is fodder for speculators.J. Borger said:
Specifications/performance/quality and service life with respect to price will get the fence sitters reaching for their credit cards to buy a DRF.
I would like to see a survey that asks, of those not pre-ordering an M8, what % would buy a "next generation" DRF (not RD1 generation) from a respected company already in the camera manufacturing business, and list various price points that they would then commit to purchase a DRF.
The Alfa Romeo analogy may not be what Leica is shooting for with regards to build quality though 😀
ywenz
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I predict the image quality from the m8 will be nothing revolutionary. It 'might' be evolutionary, but you'd expect that.. Other than the fact that you're able to use superior Leica lenses on it to produce nice quality bokeh. The M8 will be just another digicam with all the limitations of digital, just like how the Leica film-M is just another box to hold film..
Trius
Waiting on Maitani
It may not be revolutionary, but it may be evolutionary enough that it represents a pinnacle of overall digital image quality. To wit: the Olympus E-1 has a measly 5MP density, yet many pros who use it, combined with ZD lenses, find that the image quality is something different and more "film-like" than other DSLRs of even higher resolution. I'm not pimping the E-1 or other E series, just saying that the whole is sometimes more than the sum of the parts.
In this case, M glass (whether Leica, Zeiss or other), combined with the characteristics of RF shooting, may make the M8 very special.
In this case, M glass (whether Leica, Zeiss or other), combined with the characteristics of RF shooting, may make the M8 very special.
J. Borger
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Jeeze .. must be an awesome camera if you are right.ywenz said:
Never read something as positive and encouraging as this from your hand 🙂
Mark Norton
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Just wondering what all these doom-mongers are going to say when the M8 proves to be the stunning camera we expect. That whining noise you'll be able to hear will be the sound of rapid back-pedalling...
LCT
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Would be surprising, Mark.Mark Norton said:
I'm yet hearing same people claiming that they can do the same with a mere Nikon D80 and, at least, with the latter, they don't get those ugly moiré artefacts and the last Canon digicam is soooo less noisy that it's a shame to pay $5000 for such an obsolete camera!!
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RIVI1969
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The question of how are we going to extract data in ten years from current USB ports is not a concern right now, of course some kind of devices to couple our current technology with the future one will be created. I rather wonder if film will be easily or available at all in 10 years. Without film all those precious signatured-limited-millenium-a-la-carte-MP's will be useless and of course worthless.
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