Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
Chris,
What a distinct pleasure to see a post like yours! You sound like a photographer I would be delighted to meet one day. After reading your post, I do remember something that happened to me in college that smacked of just the behavior you are talking about. Years later I recognize what was happening, but back then I was so immature and clueless that I believed the photographer and the lines he told me. The photographer was a Professor at the University of Maryland, the school I attended and later graduated from. He invited me to his house, even introducing me to his wife, and told me that photographing me in various stages of undress was perfectly fine with his wife. He had a studio in his house and I willingly posed for him. Nothing happened beyond the posing for a few pictures (thank goodness!), but, when I think back, I realize he was one of those "lecherous assholes" to which you refer.
I have not been deterred from posting here and I think that RFF has a lot to offer. But if I run into any of the "Lecherous assholes" you refer to, then it'll go a long way towards making me hesitant to come back here.
Ellen
I don't know that any of the guys here are using photography to get young women into bed. What I see here is everytime someone posts a photo of a pretty girl, half the guys here are drooling all over themselves and asking if there are some nudes they can see (if the girl is clothed) and talking about how they wish they could meet her.
I'm strange anyway. I'm so socially awkward that I can't even imagine asking some girl to take her clothes off for me to photograph her even if I had the tiniest desire to do so (and I don't; nudes don't interest me artistically).
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helen.HH
To Light & Love ...
Leica RULES.....

Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
Helen, you look kinda like a woman I went to art school with 10 yrs ago.
She didn't do photography though, she was a painter.

She didn't do photography though, she was a painter.
helen.HH
To Light & Love ...
Oh I can 'SEE' it Chris
I too am a Painter....a Decorative Artist by Day
doing Hi End Commercial & Residential spaces....
I too am a Painter....a Decorative Artist by Day
doing Hi End Commercial & Residential spaces....
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
Oh I can 'SEE' it Chris
I too am a Painter....a Decorative Artist by Day
doing Hi End Commercial & Residential spaces....![]()
Nice! I suck at painting. I can do it, but I am slow and I find it stressful. My avatar is a self-portrait I did 11 yrs ago
back alley
IMAGES
men don't have to bashed in order to support women...
statements like 'all men' are just as bad as threads about women in t-shirts.
statements like 'all men' are just as bad as threads about women in t-shirts.
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
men don't have to bashed in order to support women...
statements like 'all men' are just as bad as threads about women in t-shirts.
I didn't say 'all men', I said "every one I have known". There have been a fair number considering that they all live in Indiana (A place not that friendly to artistic endeavors, so there are few artists/photographers/creatives).
maggieo
More Deadly
edit: x-post w/Chris
No one in this thread has said anything at all about "all men."
Chris said that every male photographer he's met who shoots nudes did it for a shot at some action. He's describing a small subset of people that he knows, who engage in a very specific set of behaviors, further whittling down the number in subset of men he knows personally. That's a pretty small subset of "all men."
And frankly, one careless phrase, if it had even been uttered, isn't nearly as bad a page after page after page of mindless objectification.
men don't have to bashed in order to support women...
statements like 'all men' are just as bad as threads about women in t-shirts.
No one in this thread has said anything at all about "all men."
Chris said that every male photographer he's met who shoots nudes did it for a shot at some action. He's describing a small subset of people that he knows, who engage in a very specific set of behaviors, further whittling down the number in subset of men he knows personally. That's a pretty small subset of "all men."
And frankly, one careless phrase, if it had even been uttered, isn't nearly as bad a page after page after page of mindless objectification.
pachuco
El ****
I know a guy in his 50's who is a professor at a small college here in Indiana who has slept with a number of his 18-120 yr old students...
120 year old students!?! Man, that guy is a pervert!
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
120 year old students!?! Man, that guy is a pervert!![]()
oops, I meant 20 yr olds. Some of us who knew him used to wonder how long before some young girl's dad goes after ol' boy with a shotgun. That happens here in Indiana. A lot.
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Well, let me put it this way- when I told some of my female friends that I was thinking about joining a local camera club, most of them replied with something along the lines of, "Ew, isn't that just a bunch of lecherous old men looking for an excuse to ogle women?"
Some women forget that sexism doesn't end with only the men being "enlightened".
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
Some women forget that sexism doesn't end with only the men being "enlightened".
That's true. Where I live, women, even young ones, are still living in the 1960s where they expect a man to support them financially. Well, that's not possible, there aren't enough living-wage jobs for men anymore. Part of them are occupied by women who still think a man should pay for everything and part have just gone bye-bye because of job exporting and the economy, which has been declining for 20 years here in Indiana. I know a woman who is a lawyer who divorced her husband because his $75,000 a year job (5 times the income of the average person here...so he is 'rich' by the standards of Indiana!) couldnt support her in the lifestyle she 'deserved'. She made $200,000 a year and could buy anything she wanted but she refused to pay any of the bills: That's the man's job.
Before anyone jumps on me, keep in mind that I am talking about northeast Indiana, one of the most culturally backward places in North America. I did not encounter this attitude among women I knew in New Mexico, for example, but in some parts of the USA it is very common and is out of touch with economic reality.
maggieo
More Deadly
Lots of people are idiots. Stupidity knows no gender.
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
Lots of people are idiots. Stupidity knows no gender.
Muey Verdado!
robklurfield
eclipse
great shot of you caught at just the right instant.
Leica RULES.....![]()
ampguy
Veteran
Helen, I like how the top lines of the bricks, and grating on the storefront line up with the top edge of the frame. Very nice.
Lilserenity
Well-known
Some women forget that sexism doesn't end with only the men being "enlightened".
That I can definitely agree with. Anyway will reply to more posts at lunch time, gotta get ready for work *groan*
*looks longingly at her Leica, another day, another day...
Vicky
wgerrard
Veteran
That's true. Where I live, women, even young ones, are still living in the 1960s where they expect a man to support them financially... I am talking about northeast Indiana, one of the most culturally backward places in North America. I did not encounter this attitude among women I knew in New Mexico, for example, but in some parts of the USA it is very common and is out of touch with economic reality.
I'll second Chris. I grew up next door in Ohio, which is pretty much the same as Indiana culturally. I go back about twice a year. When someone asks me what they should do, I say "Leave!".
I'm lucky enough that the only thing limiting my choice of residency is money, but there is No Way I'd move back to the midwest. People seem to be clinging to the beliefs that got them into trouble in the first place.
Chris, I hope you can get back to New Mexico sooner than you expect.
Uncle Bill
Well-known
That's true. Where I live, women, even young ones, are still living in the 1960s where they expect a man to support them financially. Well, that's not possible, there aren't enough living-wage jobs for men anymore. Part of them are occupied by women who still think a man should pay for everything and part have just gone bye-bye because of job exporting and the economy, which has been declining for 20 years here in Indiana. I know a woman who is a lawyer who divorced her husband because his $75,000 a year job (5 times the income of the average person here...so he is 'rich' by the standards of Indiana!) couldnt support her in the lifestyle she 'deserved'. She made $200,000 a year and could buy anything she wanted but she refused to pay any of the bills: That's the man's job.
Before anyone jumps on me, keep in mind that I am talking about northeast Indiana, one of the most culturally backward places in North America. I did not encounter this attitude among women I knew in New Mexico, for example, but in some parts of the USA it is very common and is out of touch with economic reality.
You HAVE to get out of Indiana, you don't belong there.
maggieo
More Deadly
Chris, I moved from San Francisco to Lincoln, Nebraska and I feel your pain.
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