Olsen
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sitemistic said:I just hope Leica has a big market in Norway, then.
They havn't. Relatively speaking Leica are doing better in Denmark (particularly), Sweden and Finland. Why it is like this, I don't know. Could be better and more dedicated dealers. Like Photografica, Copenhagen (link: http://www.photografica.dk/ )
LP Photo in Stockholm, Sweden (link: http://www.lpfoto.se/swe/index.asp ) and an excellent photo shop in Helsinki, Finland that I have lost the link to.
gdi
Veteran
retow said:Noctilux price in Germany, incl VAT, in 2002: 2500 Euro, in 2008: 4795 Euro. But price "has hardly increased in ol Europe", if I you really meant what you wrote. Looking at the 5 year NOK versus Euro chart, I would assume that NOK price increases over the same time period were at least as steep as the Euro ones.
Easily explained by the drop in the Euro relative to the Euro.
Uhh, wait a minute, have those latest price increases been felt in Germany too? Only Norway is immune to Leica-flation?
retow
Well-known
gdi said:Easily explained by the drop in the Euro relative to the Euro.
Uhh, wait a minute, have those latest price increases been felt in Germany too? Only Norway is immune to Leica-flation?
Maybe a government agency prevents price increases from being forced on consumers.............
raid
Dad Photographer
I had no clue that a Noctilux costs that much! I enjoyed using such a lens as a loaner when I compared 50mm lenses. If I had known the cost of the lens, I may have refused such a generous loaner lens.
Olsen
Well-known
retow said:Noctilux price in Germany, incl VAT, in 2002: 2500 Euro, in 2008: 4795 Euro. But price "has hardly increased in ol Europe", if I you really meant what you wrote. Lokking at the 5 year NOK versus Euro chart, I would assume that NOK price increases over the same time period were at least as steep as the Euro ones.
If your figures are right (they could well be), a Noctilux should have cost NOK 21.250 (excl tax) back in 2002. I am 100% certain the price was far higher here in Norway back then. More like more than 30.000 NOK. I bought my Canon EF 50 mm 1,0L back then at 25.000 NOK and noted that the Noct was about 30% more expensive. Why, I don't know. € 4795 should be 36.400 NOK today, but shops here in Oslo advertise them for 33.442. This price was more than 36.000 NOK a year ago. The highest rate between € and NOK was NOK 8,55 back in 2001 and has been lower than NOK 7,45 during 2007. That's a 11% drop of the € value. The € was on it's way back up again before Christmas, but is now falling again towards NOK.
MikeL
Go Fish
raid said:
I never thought a Noctilux would cost more than the collectible Nikkor 50mm f1.1.
Olsen
Well-known
retow said:
We are blessed with a strong currency. - Just as the Americans have for ages. That's the works of the international currency market. The govermnent agency part of it is a hefty sales tax here in Norway of 20%. - That's why so many Norwegians go abroad and buy expensive camera equipment.
retow
Well-known
Olsen said:
???But why would they, now that you just have proven that the only country immune to Leica price increases is Norway,......I'm really confused now
gdi
Veteran
retow said:???But why would they, now that you just have proven that the only country immune to Leica price increases is Norway,......I'm really confused now
Me too - I was thinking of booking a flight to Oslo to buy a few Noctiluxes (or is that Noctili?) at the 2002 price! I could dig up the kroners I have buried out back...
JohnTz
Member
Olsen
I am American. I live in the US. I work for a company headquartered in Oslo. Some of my best friends are Norwegian. I have spent many months there. Your points are good..we Americans will fix our problems, we have done it before.
You just seem to forget to mention where the wealth comes from for your government...the government owned oil resources my friend makes it easy to not be in a deficit and to provide nice pension, healthcare and education services ;-)
Now let's talk about cameras eh?
I am American. I live in the US. I work for a company headquartered in Oslo. Some of my best friends are Norwegian. I have spent many months there. Your points are good..we Americans will fix our problems, we have done it before.
You just seem to forget to mention where the wealth comes from for your government...the government owned oil resources my friend makes it easy to not be in a deficit and to provide nice pension, healthcare and education services ;-)
Now let's talk about cameras eh?
raid
Dad Photographer
MikeL said:
Mike,
I got the Nikkor also as a loaner and at the same time as the Noctilux. I had no time then that the Nikkor was of such a high value too.
Olsen
Well-known
retow said:???But why would they, now that you just have proven that the only country immune to Leica price increases is Norway,......I'm really confused now
Norwegian amateurs can avoid paying the 20% sales tax if they buy camera gear outside EU. Pro's get the sales tax refunded. That is why this large group of Norwegian photo enthusiast went to NY to buy camera gear back in October. Back then US dealers hadn't compensated for the, then recent, dollar fall and camera equipment were very cheap compared to Europe.
Olsen
Well-known
JohnTz said:
- ??
The wealth comes from private companies noted on Oslo Stock Exchange, NYSE and elsewhere.
- Yes, let's talk cameras.
Olsen
Well-known
cameraman said:
I did. I bought mine 2.hand together with othe lenses from this devorcee. Which is why I checked what the price was new. - I had no idea at the point of transfer what it was worth.
Olsen
Well-known
cameraman said:
That could well be. I am going to visit Interfoto/Farnes one of these days to see if they can tune my M8 to my Noctilux which back-focuses - and aske them.
On the other hand; are you - and others - absolutely sure that a Noctilux cost 2.500$/€2,500 back in 2002? Sounds very cheap compared to prices here in Norway.
As far as I remember Euro was introduced late 2001 or early 2002.
Olsen
Well-known
ErikFive said:
No, but Erik, this Noctilux is not much of a lense. Buy instead the WATE for sale on foto.no. That's a lense! I'll keep my Noctilux and Canon EF 50 mm 1,0L just as a 'kuriositet'.
kevin m
Veteran
At the 18mm focal length it got spanked pretty good by the new ZM 18/4.5, according to Reid Reviews. The Leica was better in the corners, but the Zeiss absolutely smacked it in the center of the frame.
Olsen
Well-known
I use my WATE 'ten times as much' as the Noctilux - which backfocuses with about 10 cm on 2 meters. So, it is a bit troublesome to use. The Canon alternative is close to impossble to focus manually. - At least with my eyesight. You have to trust the AF, which works OK. It is not that many Leica enthusiasts here in Norway, Erik. A Noctilux just might come along....ErikFive said:
But the WATE, Erik! Don't let that one get away!
Attached picture of the two monsters: The Canon 1Ds II w/EF 50 mm 1,0L and my MP with the Noctilux.
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raid
Dad Photographer
WATE ... please spell out what it stands for.
Is it the Tri-Elmar lens?
Is it the Tri-Elmar lens?
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whitecat
Lone Range(find)er
I had a noct but did not like the super critical focusing at F/1. Too many out of focus pictures. I know it was my eyes and not the lens.
retow
Well-known
JohnTz said:
John, just a last one, if you permit. About happy Americans or US residents of whatever nationality, incl myself:
http://biz.yahoo.com/ibd/080102/issues01.html?.v=1&.pf=personal-finance