Canon LTM I Got Ripped Off So Bad!!!!

Canon M39 M39 screw mount bodies/lenses
Forget a PayPal refund, if you used that method. You won't be eligible, as the seller has insufficient feedback to qualify. If you paid with PayPal via creditcard, try a chargeback now. If you send your credit card company reasonable proof - the two set of photos and call their dispute dept, there's a chance you might get a refund.

I thought Roger's comments were harsh until I saw your purchase was from someone with minimal feedback. SUch a person would have nothing to lose by ripping you off.
 
There's just a chance that the person selling the camera can't tell the difference between lenses, and didn't know he/she was cheating by lifting the pictures and text from someone else's ebay listing. I'd try a polite request for a full refund first, then bring the house down if he/she won't cooperate.
 
I would bet that this seller opens up new accounts with Ebay and sells for as long as they can get away with it. A brand new seller would not be able to download, modify, and put a photo back up without knowing something about the process.
 
My previous message was apparently lost.

The vast majority of people are honest. What do you think criminals and fraudsters rely upon, if not that fact? Your vendor may have been ignorant -- though it's hard to see how you mistake f/1.2 for f/1.4 -- ar actively dishonest.

If even half your kit was bought on e-bay, you're ahead of the game: amortize the rip-off across what you have bought, and been happy with. This is the price you pay for 'bargains'.

Sure, we all sympathize, but let's be realistic. You thought you'd bought a bargain, and you were stitched up. Hardly a novelty: 'a pig in a poke' and 'caveat emptor' antedate e-b by centuries.

Now I've re-discovered my previous message. Probably just me -- 'computer literacy' would be generous in the extreme. But the argument still holds good.

Cheers,

Roger
 
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Paul, Chris and Brian all have it dead right. Scream like fury, using every means available to you (e-b, PayPal, credit card). One of them will probably work. But if they don't, remember tha every transaction (even fraudulent ones) require both a buyer and a seller. In a dishonest transaction, one has to be fooled by the other. This has not changed in human history.

Cheers,

Roger
 
jdos2 said:
I like most that he added a little graphic in the lower right hand corner.

Nice touch.
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That "little graphic" is added by ebay any time you use ebay to host your images. The adorama auction didn't have it, since they host their own. When the seller uploaded that adorama image on the "sell your item" page, ebay adds that graphic automatically. You'll see this on any auction image hosted by ebay.

Scott
 
Well, Parks, that ain't condescending, it's the nature of human experience!

Sure, we all feel bad when we've been stupid. I've been stupid many times and felt bad about it.

But asking for someone else's sympathy when we've made a stupid mistake is, perhaps, inviting a compounding of the problem.

Let's get this straight. Is it wise to buy something you've never seen from someone you don't know? If yes, I apologize. If no, my argument stands.

Then again, I use my real name on all forums...

Cheers,

Roger
 
Sorry, folks, I don't want to start a flame war here. But really, as Paul T. points out, let's get real here. And as I say, I do sympathize. I've been ripped off too -- but most of the time, it's been my own fault.

Cheers,

Roger
 
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Yes Hicks it is condescending and we don't need people like you to rub it in our faces! I buy things from people all the time I do not know. Have I ever met the people that I have bought from on ebay or here on this forum? NO, it's called TRUST! Obviously, you have none!

And my name is Jason Parks
 
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i know youre not trying to make me feel bad roger, and to be truthful i wasnt really searching for sympathy ( if it came across that way i apologize) i was just very upset over being duped. im willing to bet this seller has some perfectly reasonable excuse as to why they did what they did, and well see how it pans out, im going to try and settle it with them first, and if that does not work then ill take it to the higher powers.

and if it doesnt work out whatsoever, then i made 1 $360 mistake and ill just have to give this camera one hell of a CLA! heh.

thanks for all the support and advice guys, i love these forums, its like having a giant network of friends lookin out for you.
 
Agpho,
You are not at fault. The seller committed fraud. Notify paypal immediately. The fact that she swiped a picture from another thread should be enough to justify a payback. Oh, and don't forget to email adorama that their pic was swiped.
 
The rule I always apply to eBay is never to buy anything that's too expensive for me to loose the cash.

In the case of this seller we have someone who has only just joined eBay, sold a couple of non-photogaphic low cost items, and had a feedback score of 3 before this sale. I wouldn't have touched it with a barge pole. This is exactly the profile of someone who is likely to rip someone off.

Bad mouthing Roger won't help. He's right, put it down to experience and move on.

Steve
 
that is a very strong code to live by wayne, and i agree with it completely.

yeah this situation sucks. yeah im upset, but im not just going to stamp my feet and cry. ill deal with the seller one on one and if they refuse to accept their mistake and refund then i will take further action.
 
Dear Jason ,

You are absolutely right I don't automatically trust people I don't know. If you do, I salute your humanity and decency; you may well be a better human being than I. You may also get ripped off more often but this is the price you pay. If you don't, I cheerfully admit to being less wise than your good self.

I do not however accept that ny attitude is condescending. What one might call a decent measure of suspicion has stood me in good stead for decades, and the rest of humanity for centuries and millennia.

As I said, I've been stupid and I've been ripped off. I cannot quite see what is condescending about this admission.

Cheers,

Roger
 
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they actually had another camera under their belt, with a happy customer so i figured we all have to start somewhere, but man was i wrong ;)
 
Dear agphotography,

As I say, I am deeply sympathetic -- I'd hate to lose $360 too -- and I sincerely hope you can sort it to your advantage. It's having been in your situation, trusting someone who wasn't trustworthy, that makes me so cynical about my own stupidity. Sometimes it's been on poor grounds (to be brutal, like yours) and sometimes it's been with someone I thought I knew: I could tell a tale about a lost $10,000 Japanese contract, but it's too painful (incidentally ther 'guilty' party was neither British, American or Japanese) so I won't.

All I'm saying is, treat it (at worst) as a $360 lesson in whom to trust. Sorry if it came over too harsh.

Cheers,

Roger
 
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