Canon LTM I Got Ripped Off So Bad!!!!

Canon M39 M39 screw mount bodies/lenses
Good luck, agp. I've had refunds back in very similar circumstances from sellers who were ignorant of what they were selling. You should also be able to hold out the carrot of withdrawing your feedback:
http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/account/withdraw-feedback.html

If that doesn't get resolved, you have 45 days from the completion of the auction to inform PayPal. Or, may the Lord forgive me, your credit card issuer, might need notification within 30 days. I'm sure you won't need it, incompetence explains a lot more actions than malevolence!

And, seriously, do look out for Buyer Protection on future auctions, because it's the difference between a refund of $175, and of $1000!
 
I hope you don't take any of my comments personally Paul, because they were not intended so. I was only stating my experience as an illustration of some of the points I (or others) made.
 
Roger Hicks said:
1 Don't buy on e-bay (or any other pig in a poke)

2 If you insist on doing do, accept the risk of things like this happening.
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Sorry Roger I think this attitude is a bit snobbish, ebay is a trading environment quite different from the traditional ones, and a different approach required.

If you follow the precautions I highlighted in my post above the risk is not greater than buying from an online business, however if you want the super-bargain, which you can usually get from sellers with low feedback, you will have to take some risks.

So it is really up to you, if you buy from a user with more than 98% positive feedbacks over hundreds of sales I'd say that you are quite safe.
 
Roger

In your signature there the link to your gallery, which is empty, I was wondering if this is on purpose or just a mistake.

Cheers
 
I would be wary of a seller with a 98% feedback. Always read the comments. Most people do not like to leave negative feedback for fear of retaliation, so they leave neutral or positives like "ok. received item". That is not what a satisfied customer does.

This Seller's is better than 99%.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-MGM-1-35m...ryZ30027QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

WOW. WOWee! A genuine Canon camera... Says Canon right on it. Note how it's in the rangefinder category. That is because it is a cheap imitation with a fixed-focus lens with the performance of a Diana and has an optical viewfinder.
 
fgianni said:
Roger

In your signature there the link to your gallery, which is empty, I was wondering if this is on purpose or just a mistake.

Cheers
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gallery links are usually automatic when registering.
people can choose to not upload pics though.

if you want to remove the link just go to user cp, edit signature.

joe
 
Dear Francesco,

Not sure I'd agree about 'snobbish'. 'Purist' or 'old fashioned' perhaps -- and you are quite right about taking appropriate precautions to minimize your risk. But all you'll do is reduce it: I've lost hundreds of pounds/dollars/euros, over the decades, to 'honest' on-the-spot traders who closed up and went bust as well as to bargains that were too good to be true. You can never eliminate risk, after all. Besides, as I said to Bill: I've go too much STUFF already.

The lack of a gallery link is simply because I've never found out how. Try www.rogerandfrances.com or www.fotolibra.com (and search using my name) to see some pictures -- though I'm still learning about how to get the web pics right...

Cheers,

Roger
 
Dear Roger

Roger Hicks said:
The lack of a gallery link is simply because I've never found out how.
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I wasn't complaining about the lack of the link (which is actually there), more about the lack of pictures in the gallery ;)

Roger Hicks said:
though I'm still learning about how to get the web pics right...
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Geez Roger, if those web pictures look "wrong", I still have to see some that look "right".


Cheers

Francesco
 
Brian Sweeney said:
I would be wary of a seller with a 98% feedback. Always read the comments. Most people do not like to leave negative feedback for fear of retaliation, so they leave neutral or positives like "ok. received item". That is not what a satisfied customer does.

This Seller's is better than 99%.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-MGM-1-35m...ryZ30027QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

WOW. WOWee! A genuine Canon camera... Says Canon right on it. Note how it's in the rangefinder category. That is because it is a cheap imitation with a fixed-focus lens with the performance of a Diana and has an optical viewfinder.
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WOW. WOWee! I think I have one of those without the canon name. It was also listed as a rangefinder. I don't know why I bought it except I just thought it was kind of campy to buy it for $5.95. It is a least a crappy as Brian describes it. Barely worth what I paid for it. The only saving grace was it had a small camera bag probably worth the $5.95, and I now have something to show folks why they must be very careful what they buy. I don't know where these things come from, or the sellers who list them. If that is what I think it is and it goes for $99.99, there is going to be a very unhappy buyer!!

This seller seems to have a bunch of these.
 
Well good news guys, the seller has agreed to a full refund ( minus the shipping back to her )

so sorry for starting this giant mess of a thread, but looks like it ended well.
 
I'm glad to hear that you are getting a refund.

Ebay is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you are going to get until you open the box. Or something like that...
 
Dear ag (if I may use the shortened form)

Great news!

And Francesco: thanks. From your signature (which I love): there are only two (or possibly 10) kinds of people, those who divide people into two kinds and those who don't.

Cheers,

Roger
 
Brian Sweeney said:
I'm glad to hear that you are getting a refund.

Ebay is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you are going to get until you open the box. Or something like that...
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Yesterday's surprise for me was a Minolta adapter on the back of an LTM lens that was advertized as an M adapter. I've got M adapters, so it's not a big enough difference to complain about -- presumably the seller just didn't know the difference (and never tried to mount it on an M body).

My other current ebay hassle is a seller that reported me as a non-paying bidder without contacting me first to see what was going on -- in fact I'd sent the M.O. certified (so I could know for sure that it got there. I'm used to paypal, and I've never really gotten comfortable sending money orders in the mail). The post office attempted delivery a week and a half ago and the seller apparently never followed up with the form. My M.O. is sitting at the post office waiting on the seller to pick it up and/or reschedule delivery. I've just sent tracking info on the certified letter over but I have not yet heard back from the seller.

Scott

Scott
 
I know this is late but ...

I know this is late but ...

Bill Mattocks Said:

I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice. But in my opinion, it would be hard to prove fraud. The seller clearly violated copyright laws and used the photograph from another auction as their own. However, they did not say "This is an actual photograph of the camera you will be getting." If they had, that would be out-and-out fraud.

It's a good thing you are not a lawyer with bad advice like that. If you have a picture of a camera or anything in an auction and you don't implicitly say this is not the item for sale than it can be construed as being the actual item for sale. In an auction the seller is generally selling only one of an item. It is not like a car lot which puts an ad of a representitive automobile in the newspaper. With an auction you can expect to get what is shown.

Even if you say that it is not an auction but more of a swap meet, if you see an ad on a bulletion board for a car or a couch or anything you can reasonably expect that that it in fact what is for sale.
 
haha lets not kick a dead horse. i think we all found out well enough the perils and inherant risks of ebay, and yeah i totally was expecting something else, but fortunately for me, the seller admitted to their mistake, apologized outright, and is refunding me in full.

great... now i need to find a 50mm again! lol (f/2 or faster ) damn me for being picky
 
Congrats on your full refund. Now you know at least what a Canon 7 feels like. And therefore you have a more solid basis on choosing a Canon or another camera.
There are so many alternatives!
Good hunting!
 
Brian Sweeney said:
Ebay is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you are going to get until you open the box. Or something like that...
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Ain't that the dyin' truth? After waiting almost three weeks for a Yashica TL Electro camera in "excellent condition except for the missing battery cover", the package arrives...... with the wrong camera!! It's a Yashica TL Electro OK but not the one I bought. It's missing the shutter speed disk but has the battery cover. The mirror was also staying up as often as not. Long story short: I spent some time with it on the bench and everything now works OK. I'm in the middle of light seals replacement...... a messy affair no matter how it's done. Now I can put Jon Goodman's fine seal kit to good use.I only paid $20 for the camera body including shipping and I'll find a shutter speed disk from a junker soon enough.

Walker
 
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