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wtl
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ywenz said:
Oh, ok, it's all clear now.
But then...oh, nevermind...got too many holes to patch...
if you want to talk about photography - then do so!
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Oh, ok, it's all clear now.
But then...oh, nevermind...got too many holes to patch...
VinceC
Veteran
>>Most "interests" have a split b/w "users" and "gearheads" - so it's unsurprising to find it here too.<<
The book "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" has a pretty good discussion of the user-versus-gearhead split. Trying to balance the two seems to be the "zen" solution.
The book "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" has a pretty good discussion of the user-versus-gearhead split. Trying to balance the two seems to be the "zen" solution.
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Socke
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schaubild said:
Like when I was stranded 1 mile from home without fuel yesterday with the car still showing a range of 8 miles left?
Yes, I'll never understand my car :angel:
FrankS
Registered User
This is what you get when you are part of a community. Complaining that a thread is not what you want to talk about is pointless. Just let it go, there'll be another along in a minute.
Well said, Mark.
Well said, Mark.
Andy K
Well-known
If I want to know about gear I read RFF, if I want to talk photography I go to APUG. That is not a slight on RFF, it is just the way this site comes across. Every morning my new posts list here is about 99% gear threads.
FrankS
Registered User
Everyone has a choice not to participate in threads they do not find interesting. Posting criticisms of threads one doesn't find interesting adds nothing useful, only negativity. It's just a downer, man.
back alley
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i tried apug and they don't seem anymore into photography than here.
but i i visited only a few times.
i think we have a bad rep on the photo part as i think we do talk about pics here too, especially in the gallery comments section.
but i i visited only a few times.
i think we have a bad rep on the photo part as i think we do talk about pics here too, especially in the gallery comments section.
jan normandale
Film is the other way
What Dave said..... but ...
Joe thanks for “firing a shot across the bow” lots of sniping lately and it’s uncalled for. I agree with yourself and Bill. “Live and let live” seems to have been forgotten. If any RFF’er has a problem with a thread, just leave the party. How hard is that.
I agree with your observation that people should post their own threads if they want to raise and discuss a topic that is important to them. It’s not okay to create a thread directly aimed at sniping at other threads. Some threads have definitely been off topic and Jorge has politely asked for the use of the “and now for something completely different” section of RFF. Lets try this.
Have a good weekend everyone, I know I will.
Jan
Hi Dave ;- )
Joe thanks for “firing a shot across the bow” lots of sniping lately and it’s uncalled for. I agree with yourself and Bill. “Live and let live” seems to have been forgotten. If any RFF’er has a problem with a thread, just leave the party. How hard is that.
I agree with your observation that people should post their own threads if they want to raise and discuss a topic that is important to them. It’s not okay to create a thread directly aimed at sniping at other threads. Some threads have definitely been off topic and Jorge has politely asked for the use of the “and now for something completely different” section of RFF. Lets try this.
Have a good weekend everyone, I know I will.
Jan
Hi Dave ;- )
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schaubild
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Socke said:
This sounds like my girlfriend, she quite often makes it into the garage with the last drop of fuel.... 🙂
Andy K
Well-known
RFF has 36 main Forums of which about 26 are about gear, I only saw 2 related to photography: the Darkroom forum the Photoshop forum. Looking at the forum statistics the most active are the gear forums:
Photoshop Forum = 36 threads, 391 posts,
Darkroom forum = 806 threads, 10,222 posts,
Leica forum = 1,819 threads, 26,973 posts,
Russian Rangefinder cameras = 1,253 threads, 14,200 posts.
APUG has 36 main forums of which 11 are photography related and 10 are about gear, others cover photography related book reviews, member organised functions, site feedback, print swaps etc. Going by the forum statistics, by far the most active forums are the photography forums.
The site stats show that RFF is a much more gear focused forum. But is that a bad thing?
Photoshop Forum = 36 threads, 391 posts,
Darkroom forum = 806 threads, 10,222 posts,
Leica forum = 1,819 threads, 26,973 posts,
Russian Rangefinder cameras = 1,253 threads, 14,200 posts.
APUG has 36 main forums of which 11 are photography related and 10 are about gear, others cover photography related book reviews, member organised functions, site feedback, print swaps etc. Going by the forum statistics, by far the most active forums are the photography forums.
The site stats show that RFF is a much more gear focused forum. But is that a bad thing?
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Obviously distinguishing between walking and running when being a couch potato any movement is "exercise" is going to get lost in any discussions. This reminds me of some rather interesting "arguments" with past relationships (long gone, thank goodness)
If people just can't distinguish between complaining, being negative, and constructive discussions, then yes, ad nauseam here we go. One's case for debate is another's battle cry. And out the kitchen sink goes. Labeling things as "elitist" or "redneckish" or otherwise is not going to help anything or anyone. Then people feel like they're being "attacked".
If people can't make sense of any of it, then the problem is bigger than one realizes.
I'm with Joe.
Now, call me cuckoo, but that solar eclipse, what a coincidence. I'm getting my foil cap... 😛
If people just can't distinguish between complaining, being negative, and constructive discussions, then yes, ad nauseam here we go. One's case for debate is another's battle cry. And out the kitchen sink goes. Labeling things as "elitist" or "redneckish" or otherwise is not going to help anything or anyone. Then people feel like they're being "attacked".
If people can't make sense of any of it, then the problem is bigger than one realizes.
I'm with Joe.
Now, call me cuckoo, but that solar eclipse, what a coincidence. I'm getting my foil cap... 😛
Andy, I think your point is well taken. RFF, APUG, anywhere cannot be everything for everyone, and infact, some of each will be of disinterest to everyone. I think Joe's point, "live and let live" basicly is that we should all enjoy what we individually enjoy here and let everyone else enjoy what they do without complaining about it.
Flyfisher Tom
Well-known
back alley said:
I love that line 🙂
Let's just learn to respect what others' interests are. If you want to talk serious photography, do so. And gearheads can talk about what they want.
There is a place in the big tent for everyone. Just focus on what floats your own boat and let others sail their own paths. Taking the extra time to ponder what floats someone else's boat is just a waste of your own time, which is precious. Easy.
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Ohhmm. 🙂VinceC said:
I think it's nice to be both. Or, rather, I think it's sad to see "factions" when one shouldn't do without the other. You can't be expressing both at the same time all the time online, imho.
Points of view, though, may give positive or negative meaning to what it is or what it means to be both a "user-and-gearhead". Some see balance, others see status. Others see a waste of time.
I see a little ooohhmmm
kmack
do your job, then let go
Andy K said:
Maybe it has something to do with the focus of the site: RangeFinder Photography. To be simplistic about it, rangefinder gear: use, maintenence, repair, history and users there of.
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Socke
Guest
Hm, come to think about it.
I certainly like gear and want to learn about gear. I want to get the best out of what I have, since I'm not very talented I try to learn technique.
There are some pictures from HCB which inspire me but I have two pictures in my head I want to recreate some time.
The first is Audrey Hepburn somewhere in a city probably in autumn since she is wearing a coat, I saw this picture linked to a p.net post where somebody asked which lens could have been used.
Another is a woman in a duffel coat with the hood over her face standing in front of a river, this is from a guy at contaxg.com.
I'll allready talked two girls into modeling for me and found apropriate locations, now I'm waiting for the light and weather and hopefully one of the two is available when all fits together 🙂
I certainly like gear and want to learn about gear. I want to get the best out of what I have, since I'm not very talented I try to learn technique.
There are some pictures from HCB which inspire me but I have two pictures in my head I want to recreate some time.
The first is Audrey Hepburn somewhere in a city probably in autumn since she is wearing a coat, I saw this picture linked to a p.net post where somebody asked which lens could have been used.
Another is a woman in a duffel coat with the hood over her face standing in front of a river, this is from a guy at contaxg.com.
I'll allready talked two girls into modeling for me and found apropriate locations, now I'm waiting for the light and weather and hopefully one of the two is available when all fits together 🙂
ClaremontPhoto
Jon Claremont
Gear is fine when it's about the differences between the M6 and the M6TTL. Many people in here are very informed and very helpful indeed.
But when it's about a camera strap...
But when it's about a camera strap...
back alley
IMAGES
straps are part of photo technique i would think.
we all have a style and some styles are very different.
i think the gear and accessories affect that style.
i am always curious about these things.
we all have a style and some styles are very different.
i think the gear and accessories affect that style.
i am always curious about these things.
jonasv
has no mustache
Jon Claremont said:
😕
I often have to juggle cameras and get the picture in no time. I can assure you that straps and bags are a lot more important than the lens for getting the picture in those situations. Perhaps your photography is more slow-paced and accessories like straps don't matter for you. When you're carrying two or three cameras and you need them any of those ready at a second's notice to take an important picture, I can assure you straps and bags are important.
if they aren't important for your photography that's fine but why generalise?
Fedzilla_Bob
man with cat
Photos without cameras. We don't see many of those.
I think a forum named the Rangefinder Forum indicates that a specific kind of photography gear is the main topic here.
APUG - just as gear oriented. Photo.net - same.
Where theres a photographic image, there is gear.
Admittedly what we are aiming for is the capture of an image. Hopefullya good one. Which leads us back to what is good for capturing the image.
A snake eating it's tail. Chickens and eggs. Gog and Maygog. Fred and Ginger.
I think a forum named the Rangefinder Forum indicates that a specific kind of photography gear is the main topic here.
APUG - just as gear oriented. Photo.net - same.
Where theres a photographic image, there is gear.
Admittedly what we are aiming for is the capture of an image. Hopefullya good one. Which leads us back to what is good for capturing the image.
A snake eating it's tail. Chickens and eggs. Gog and Maygog. Fred and Ginger.
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