In praise of the M4-2

Youxin Ye just rebuilt mine wall to wall internally thanks to heavy hands during previous ownerships. Had the M4-2 been as reputed, this body would have been sent to a parts bin instead.

They are great cameras. Some others may be more great.

Enjoy!
 
I've seen 2 high mileage M4-2's. One was a cruise ship photographers camera and the other was a school year photographers camera. Both were worn back to brass. Both guys had calculated +500,000 exposures. I don't think many here have anything to concern themselves with 😉
When buying a film M it basically comes down to price, availability and looks, not reliability. If that were the case then the M3 would rank highest on my list of unreliable due to the possible and I say that in terms of 'owner possibly dropping or banging it hard' possibly.
Most cameras that are well used will have been sorted long ago as someone else said. I've never in the 10 years I've been on this forum heard of anyone wearing an M out through use.
I've also never heard of any reliability problems reported by owners and attributed to any particular model. Even the M3 prism seperation is rare. I've personally had one curtain seperate from a roller on an M2 and another jam because of light shield felt detachment, again an M2. Does this make the M2 the most unreliable M camera? Of course not, it means that for 20-30 years of their lives most of these cameras sat in drawers and dried out, gummed up and in some cases oxidised their finders.
Buy an M that suits your budget, looks as you want it to and is well used and no matter the model will probably outlast all of us.
 
The Leica M4-2 is a Leica.
It is a good camera.
Every maker has problems, usually at start of production.
My M3 was at end of production run.
It arrived with 3 signatures of Quality Control.
I had no working rangefinder. Sigh!
No, Leitz did not offer another, an apology of sorts, 9 months later.
"Some photographers expect too much".
It is Not only Leica, Nikon F2 early models, the Nikon F4..
A friend uses the M4-P, every day as his ONLY camera, in pro work.
A CLR a year ago, showed no wear and the shutter, extremely accurate.
Buy and enjoy.
 
Pure snobbery to dismiss the M4-2 as not real... even if Leica did not make it up to the standard of the M4.

The M4-2 represented a big change for Leica with respect to the manufacturing process. The M3, M2, M4, and M5 manufacturing was much more individual bench craft with a huge amount of hand labor associated. The costs of such manufacturing were skyrocketing over the decade between 1965 and 1975 such that, coupled with other unfortunate developments (poor sales of the M5 and very high warranty costs with the CL, plus the costs of developing the R system line), Leica was in a profitability crisis.

The M4-2 was an M4 that was simplified through the refactoring and redesign of subassemblies into larger component assemblies in order to enable a more efficient, less hand labor intensive manufacturing process. For instance, (at least from what I've been told) the viewfinder assembly process went from the hand fittings of 25+ parts in 20+ operations to fitting 4 parts in 5 operations on the production line. (If not an absolutely exact correlation, the scale*of the change is about right.) The viewfinder components themselves were simplified, redesigned to be machine-assembled to tolerances that matched the previous hand assembled and fitted methodology.

Is this "not making it up to the standard of the M4"? Or is it really making the camera in a wholly different way? The change is really the movement from a old-school, 'one at a time' craftsman methodology to a modern, more batch-oriented manufacturing methodology. The standards of precision, build quality, and robustness are pretty much the same with a carefully engineered and designed product, but the costs are hugely different.

The transition to this more efficient, economical manufacturing methodology enabled Leica to return to profitability and stay in business. The M4-2 being the first M camera to be manufactured in this manner makes it unsurprising that the early examples of the first production run might have had some build issues, all of which were corrected as Leica gained expertise in the new manufacturing process (and most of those cameras still extant with original production defects have long since been updated and the defects corrected at this point in time).

In a sense, the M4-2 is the M that saved Leica from extinction because it was the model that proofed the viability of the new manufacturing methodology and gave hope to restored profitability.

As I said before, this is old ground that countless threads have covered before. My M4-2 is every much a delightful, robust, beautifully made Leica M as my M3, M2, and M6TTL were, and as my current production M-P is. The M4-2 is always a pleasure to take out and make photographs with, just like the M-P, and that's what counts. 🙂
 
Here is an earlier post on the flash sync port issue. I mis-remembered the model of my camera which was an M4 P not an M4 2. But other posts on that thread confirm both share the same (potential) problem as they both have this design flaw. And it is a design flaw....a Leica M camera is supposed to be the epitome of good design and build - that's what you pay big bucks for. Never the less do not let me put you off. In most other respects I had little to complain about with my camera (remembering however it was an M4 P not an M4 2.)

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88296

Yup Youxin told me that both the M4-2 and M4-P have the very weak plastic flash sync sockets. As in do not use them! But that's ok as it has a hot shoe so I would never use it anyway.
 
Today I ran 3 rolls through my M4-2 and 1 through my M4. During use they felt *almost* the same. There's more difference in feel between my M3 and M4, all of which Youxin Ye has CLA'ed.

It was a good day.
 
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