Is it just me or do digital "photographers" complain a lot?

Godfrey said:
When I look at photographs, I never think about pixels etc unless that is what the photographer asked me to think about. Good photography transcends medium and technology.
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Couldn't agree more. The need some people have to prove/show/claim that one is better than the other are so tiresome, tho I suppose that painting forums are just the same. Oil vs Acrylics, Help me decide which brush, etc. etc.
 
I complained plenty when I had to work against deadline in a stinky damp darkroom. So maybe the photographers who complain about digital complained just as much about film. I do expect more out of my cameras 15 years ago when shooting film sometimes you were pleased just to have a sharp negative that you could get an ok print from.
 
@David, I've come to the same conclusion. I want to see prints. There is something just different about a hanging print. You have to be proud of it to print and hang it.

You've made some good points. However, I find limitations liberating because there is no alternative.
 
Yes, it is fun to use compact mechanical only film RF camera. Just operating it is the pleasure on itself.
I think, modern Fuji digital cameras are so popular, partially, because they are mimicking film RFs. Very nice cameras.
 
Godfrey said:
Film is more limited, but not more limiting.

When I look at photographs, I never think about pixels etc unless that is what the photographer asked me to think about. Good photography transcends medium and technology.

You're pushing this thread closer to 'just another film vs digital' rant. Let it go. People love to complain. They do it too much.

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But at the same time, digital is fairly limiting too, I mean, there is no 8x10 View Digital Camera. Even medium format digital is limited in size, no 6x9 etc.

I get your point of course, but I don't consider film more limited than digital, but then, for me 35mm is something I'd don't use all that often any more. If you primarily use medium or large formats, digital is prohibitively expensive for many, or just does not exist in many forms.
 
Also...

Most high-quality digital cameras today are for all intents and purposes Point & Shoot cameras. People get disappointed when they spend "X" dollars/Euro and the images aren't perfect. Once again, high expectations that technology will make everything perfect.

(This is why I like flying Boeings instead of Airbus...but I digress) :)
 
To me, the larger the format, the more limits present.

Its just as that negative gets bigger you need more and more DOF so slower and slower apertures and are often stuck with leaf shutters that are great in the studio but maybe to slow other wise.

Those are all limits, and I would love to have an 8X10 film camera and slow down that much. It would be a great weekend....
 
Well, there's a lot to complain about....

Well, there's a lot to complain about....

And it seems to be way more than justifiable.

It seems the greatest source of complaint is between time spent shooting, and time spent to achieve "finished" images worthy of keeping. That's a lot of learning and whining.
 
N.delaRua....''I just want to make sure there are more crazies out there like me.''.....

Rest assured and fear not - you are definitely not alone in your craziness !
I got off the photographic gear treadmill in the Nikon F3 era and have no intention of becoming digitalised whilst film is still readily available.
My LTM and early M Leicas get frequent workouts, as do my Nikon Fs, Canon F1s, Voigtlander Prominents and Rollei TLRs.
To me, this stuff is mechanical jewellery of the highest order and we'll never see the like of it made again.
If you've got some nice old film cameras, use them, cherish them and enjoy them at every opportunity before the remorseless onslaught of technology renders them unusable.
 
It also seems digital has shown how important lens design is with its near perfectly flat sensor vs. film. I had a friend get a D600 and he was so upset he could not point and shoot it with critical sharpness he brought it back and got a D800.... It wasn't the camera.
 
I think I can sum up my original writing with the following observation.

I've seen a lot reviews that state "I sent the camera back because X was so bad it made miss too many shots."

The only reason I've ever missed a shot with a fully manual camera is me.
 
And conversely.....

And conversely.....

msbarnes said:
Film photographers complain too much about digital photographers :)
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Digital photographers complain too much about film photographers and the fact that film photographers just go out and shoot and bring home some great images. Digital photographers complain that film photographers are getting off too easy and should have the number of issues that digital users do... or... stated otherwise... and overwhelming amount.
 
N.delaRua said:
To me, the larger the format, the more limits present.

Its just as that negative gets bigger you need more and more DOF so slower and slower apertures and are often stuck with leaf shutters that are great in the studio but maybe to slow other wise.

Those are all limits, and I would love to have an 8X10 film camera and slow down that much. It would be a great weekend....
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Could not agree more, I love medium format, and also I'm quite taken with 4x5, but I'd love to have the DOF of a tiny sensor compact most of the time.

It's a trade-off of course, I really like leaf shutters, and I don't care that they max out at 1/500 on my cameras, but for my type of photography, it does not matter.
 
kuzano said:
Digital photographers complain too much about film photographers and the fact that film photographers just go out and shoot and bring home some great images. Digital photographers complain that film photographers are getting off too easy and should have the number of issues that digital users do... or... stated otherwise... and overwhelming amount.
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Seriously? I'm mostly here on RFF but sometimes Apug and so I honestly do not know.

I don't know many "photographers" to be honest but most digital photographers that I know, don't really look down upon film. The older guys find it nostalgic and the younger guys find it interesting.
 
Maybe I mispoke. I guess these observations are from the current reviews out there. It just seems to me people can cast aside digital cameras for the smallest reasons. I was interpreting that as complaining.
 
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